GreatGrapeApe

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GreatGrapeApe,

I get that we are both if a certain age but can you please consider not using terms related to retardation when you mean stupid?

GreatGrapeApe,

Im guessing you never visited that site

GreatGrapeApe,

If you have why would you be arguing that the site is not classist?

GreatGrapeApe,

Paul created all the parts that aren’t more or less an attempt to reform judaism.

GreatGrapeApe,

There’s no fast way to see this. If you look at the Gospels and all the non-Pauline texts (stuff written by or attributed to Paul) there’s nothing about Christ being some divine being meant to address sin. That is all coming from Paul/Saul who also happens to be the only writer in the NT who wasn’t Jewish

GreatGrapeApe,

I did not say it was good I said it was not a hellscape. Just like China is authoritarian and yet hundreds of millions seem to be happy with it so were millions of Soviet citizens.

You cannot overlook that there was a huge decline in the average quality of life for many/most immediately following the demise of the USSR. That harmed many many people.

GreatGrapeApe,

People resort to whataboutism when they do not have a counterpoint.

GreatGrapeApe,

They got to the moon using what people exactly?

GreatGrapeApe,

No it isn’t. I am explaining why whataboutism is a fallacy itself. If you have a valid counterpoint to a claim there would be no need to engage with whataboutism.

I am not engaging in whataboutism but based on your view that it isn’t fallacious Im not sure you will understand that. Not everyone is good at logical processing.

GreatGrapeApe,

Yes we are having this because of your logical failures which you are doubling down on.

GreatGrapeApe,

No I am not doing that.

Whataboutism is an actual fallacy even if you din’t recognize that.

If we were talking about the vast amounts of crimes the British East India company was responsible for and you chimed in with “whatabout the Dutch East India company’s crimes” that would be a fallacious point because it is unrelated to the discussion and is only a diversionary tactic.

That is why whataboutism is a fallacy. It is used by people who cannot address the argument being made which you have done here.

The fact that the initial use of the term was to defray from atrocities doesn’t make the use of whataboutisms logically valid.

GreatGrapeApe,

Only as of very very very recently.

GreatGrapeApe,

Cuba currently has the best records for LGBT rights but that has not always been true.

LGBT marriage was illegal until 2019 the constitutional changes made it legally possible. There was a civil union proposal from 2006? 2007? but that never got passed.

I have been active in LGBT rights since the 1990s. Trust me you aren’t talking with someone who hasn’t been paying attention or thinks it ends with marriage rights.

GreatGrapeApe,

Except they haven’t?

GreatGrapeApe,

When did Cuba do any if this other than the trans medicine which as I recall was in the mid 1990s.

GreatGrapeApe,

Oh without question better than the USA.

GreatGrapeApe,

Sone have depending in the time period. At this point you have the most protections in Cuba but you lack enough other rights that it becomes a wash.

GreatGrapeApe,

Cuba being authoritarian will mean people will necessarily be less free

GreatGrapeApe,

A government that cannot legally be opposed or advocated for the complete replacement of with a non-Marxist system.

GreatGrapeApe,

Hy would creating a system that does not respond to the desires of its population be good? What if it becomes obvious that socialism isn’t working or if change is needed? The freedom to replace the government is critical.

GreatGrapeApe,

If the people want a different system what is the justice in forcing them to maintain a system that does not work for them? Why should the jackboot of the socialist state crush the desires if the people should they desire something new?

Nothing would happen to me if I advocate for the overthrow if Im not advocating for violence. In the USA there have been communists running that advocated the removal and replacement of the government. There even is a specific right to completely replace the government in the constitution.

GreatGrapeApe,

In my hypothetical situation they do want the change and right now you cannot even suggest that due to the authoritarian structure of the state.

GreatGrapeApe,

No it isn’t. You do not have free speech to the same degree for example. You cannot attempt to run for office as a non-socialist. These are critical rights to look at when determining if a nation is authoritarian.

Cuba is one of if not the most authoritarian state in the Western hemisphere.

GreatGrapeApe,

What if the government ceases to be socialist due to corruption should the people not be able to correct that?

What if they decide they don’t want to be socialist because it doesn’t work for the majority?

Authoritarianism is never a positive situation in governance.

GreatGrapeApe,

We literally have had candidates suggesting this who were not killed.

Sorry to burst your bubble but it is legal and possible in the USA.

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