Lionir

@Lionir@beehaw.org

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Lionir,

How do I put this? If this is how you respond to criticism, and that’s what you’ve clearly shown repeatedly to do, then you should not be in any leadership position.

You do not apologize even when you admit to be wrong, you blame others instead of taking responsibilities for anything that was said here. It’s entirely a dismissive response. You might not have noticed but people do not feel valued at all when they speak to Lemmy’s developers. Their input is dismissed, they are told to make issues that you do not care for and when they ask for something to be better prioritized, you effectively tell them to fuck off. You make people feel that their time and effort towards Lemmy is worthless.

With the way you’ve acted, you have pushed back people from making issues, from contributing in code or otherwise, from wanting to host Lemmy and wanting to be associated with the project. Sincerely, all I can hope at this point is for Lemmy to be forked by better people or to be forgotten about.

Lionir,

For now, considering we don’t know how we will get the money out of OCF, I think it’d be safer to hold off.

Lionir,

I would think OCE wants members to be in the EU - currently none of us are. I’d have to look into it.

Lionir,

For everyone complaining about 404media needing an account for the posts, they explain their reasoning here : www.404media.co/why-404-media-needs-your-email-ad…

Lionir,

For most of its history, journalism has been locked behind a paywall. I think it’s a bit disingeneous to claim that this principle is against the idea of journalism. Journalism and especially good journalism is expensive - under a capitalist system, it’s entirely normal to ask for your work to be valued through monetary means.

That said, I’m most annoyed because no one is actually talking about Stract, just about how 404media decided to lock the article.

Lionir,

I will say I’m pretty glad to see a search engine which actually is not just a meta search engine. I wish Kagi would attempt this rather than partnerning with Brave.

One thing I find odd though is why these engines trying to make their own index don’t do the adversarial strategy that Brave Search has done : while using other indexes, collect what people actually click on and use it in your own index. I will note that I do not support Brave.

Lionir,

Stract and SearXNG are two entirely different projects. SearXNG is just using other search engines to power itself - it’s known as a meta search engine. Stract has its own index that does not use other search engines to power itself.

How much does a creator's worldview influence whether you use their tech or consume their media?

Watching the drama around kagi unfold and it has me wondering how much you take into consideration a creator’s view on things like homophobia, sexism, racism, etc. when deciding to use a product. I think most of us have a bar somewhere (I would imagine very few on this website would ever consider registering on an altright...

Lionir,

This actually reminds me of my favourite Pablo Picasso quote. (Note: I don’t really know anything about Picasso, so take that with a grain of salt)

In the New York Times in 1969 (timesmachine.nytimes.com/…/90114401.html?pageNumb…), when asked about the moon landing, he said “It means nothing to me. I have no opinion about it, and I don’t care”.

Lionir,

That’s a really hard question for me. It’s mostly a feeling more than a science so it becomes a bit hard to lay it down rationally and I know that doing that will result in weird inconsistencies but if I had to define it, it’s probably these three things.

  1. The influence of the author or vibe

I find myself thinking that if I associate a particular piece of art as the vision of a single person rather than a collective work, I tend to be more critical of that art or product. Rationally speaking, I know Kagi is made by more than one person and I know the same to be true of Brave but the fact that I strongly associate both to, in my view, very concrete people whose ideology is very clearly shown in the product, it becomes very hard for me to dissociate the product from supporting that person. Of course, if the vibe of the product or art is off, I just don’t want to indulge with it - it’s essentially an instant turn off. Sometimes it’s just a little thing but it lives rent free in my mind.

  1. The timeframe

If the person that has an influence is dead, well, I don’t have a feeling of contribution to something bad and I might overlook that dislike for the author.

  1. The need

If I don’t need it and I don’t vibe with the author, well, I won’t buy it. There’s better things out there. On the other hand, if I have no option but to use that product, I might swallow my pride.

Lionir,

It’s okay, kinda dreading the next school semester.

Otherwise, I’m trying to work on radcare.ca, my wiki project to make lists of local orgs doing good work.

eBay agreed to pay maximal possible fine of $3 million after employees harassed, intimidated, and stalked a Massachusetts couple in retaliation for their critical reporting of the online marketplace (arstechnica.com)

eBay’s harassment campaign against the couple, David and Ina Steiner, stretched for 18 days in August 2019 and was led by the company’s former senior director of safety and security, Jim Baugh. It started when then-CEO Devin Wenig and then-chief communications officer Steven Wymer decided to “take down” the Steiners...

Lionir,

I remember hearing this story a long time ago, It’s still so shocking that this happened.

Lionir,

I’m not sure if the Admins are paid, but it would be good to have paid admins, who also help post unique content too.

None of the admins have profited financially from donations meant for Beehaw. You can see this per the expenses on OpenCollective.

While I think it could be nice, we don’t have nearly enough to provide anyone a salary.

Or a meetup event to meet other Beehaw users (here in australia of course)

But the emus will get our lunch :(

Lionir,

Beehaw has enough to run without any additional donations for the next two years at the current costs so the finances of that seems well enough.

That said, I don’t feel comfortable spending money donated to Beehaw for things non-Beehaw related.

As for expanding in other services… Well, we already have enough trouble with Lemmy, I would not want to add more moderation hurdles personally.

Lionir,

I don’t know if money would really help with things not feeling like a slog to be honest. I mean, put in another context, do you feel that your workplace is more rewarding because they pay you? For me personally, it doesn’t really. I think it’d be nice to do more community-oriented events though.

Lionir,

This is a false equivalence. Encryption only works if nobody can decrypt it. LLMs work even if you censor illegal content from their output.

Lionir,

I mean, I don’t understand the point of an encryption that people can decrypt without it being intended. Just seems like theatre to me.

But yeah, obviously the intended parties have to be able to decrypt it. I messed up in my wording.

Lionir,

This is just enlightened centrism. No. Nobody needs to defend the harms done by technology.

We can accept the harm if the good is worth it - we have no need to defend it.

LLMs can work without the harm.

It makes sense to make technology better by reducing the harm they cause when it is possible to do so.

Beehaw on Lemmy: The long-term conundrum of staying here

Yesterday, you probably saw this informal post by one of our head admins (Chris Remington). This post lamented some of the difficulties we’re running into with the site at this point, and what the future might hold for us. This is a more formal post about those difficulties and the way we currently see things....

Lionir,

GDPR is not an issue per se - we can delete people’s stuff easily. Can’t delete it from other people’s computers, that’s all.

This already applies to email and online archival tools - Lemmy is not much different in that regard. What is on the internet stays on the internet - all we can do is ask for it to be deleted.

Lionir,

Well, we have stated that we are not trying to be reddit. There are more reddit-like alternatives than the more traditional forums that are possibilities.

We entirely expect that if we move away from Lemmy, we will lose people. Will that be for the better or the worse? Nobody can know as nobody can predict that future. It’s a very difficult position.

Lionir,

Frankly, from what I have seen, kbin would actually be a downgrade when it comes to the issues we’re facing.

Lionir,

Some of the moderation issues that we’ve talked about in the past are linked in the OP post. I will say that it has only gotten worse over time. I cannot think of a single moderation feature which actually fully works. That is how bad I think things are. They’re all broken in subtle ways. Yes, even reports are broken.

Lionir,

Not necessarily, we could move to a non-federated platform.

Lionir,

Some of the posts linked in the OP include such a list but honestly, feel free to name any moderation feature and I’ll tell you how it’s actually broken in some fashion.

Lionir,

I don’t catch how you correlate destruction and passion though. Would you like to elaborate?

Passion often leads to creation (which I interlink to destruction). The way destruction can be seen can vary a lot. It can be self-destruction when passion carries people too far; it can be destruction because we need to destroy the old to create the new; it can be destruction and creation because we are misguided about the current state of existence (I think the NieR games can be a really interesting exploration of that).

Lionir,

That’s certainly an interesting perspective but I feel that it leans too much into quantifying destruction and creation based on the moral merit of these actions. It feels kinda like trying to justify rather than explain the relationship, I might be completely off base. What do you think?

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