MJBrune

@MJBrune@beehaw.org

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MJBrune, (edited )

This whole thing is wild.

I honestly can’t fully feel good about HBomberGuy’s video. While it was important to point out a prominent plagiarist. While HBomberGuy always starts off his videos as “don’t attack this person.” Realistically his fans always seem to show up and bash on the person he’s exposing or attacking. He’s kind of being a bully. I mean, a bully with a decent reason, but still a bully. Thinking about it, bully isn’t the right term here.

Content Warning: Mental Health, Suicide.My biggest concern is that James Somerton doesn’t seem like the most stable person, admitting he just got out of the hospital. Taking that in good faith it could mean that this event drove him to do something to put himself in there. I question if Hbomber’s next video might cause someone to take their own life. Someone who can’t handle the influx of hate from a community much bigger than theirs. James Somerton only had 330 subs, a 4th of what Hbomerguy has. You are then dealing with an influx of people that is potentially as big as your community all angry at you. Many people have taken their own lives or attempted to because of these exact reasons. Maybe I don’t see it but it doesn’t feel like Hbomberguy is considering this as a factor in his videos.

MJBrune,

I’m not saying that at all. I’m just saying I can’t feel good about the video. In fact, I covered this in my original comment. It needed to be done in some way but I am not sure it’s the right way.

MJBrune,

Yeah, exactly. I don’t think I have the answer to that. I mean, I am not even saying it was the wrong way. I just don’t feel good about the way taken and I am wondering if there was a better way. That said, something needed to be done and the result is good it seems but it’s important to remember everyone is human. Everyone has a soul. Everyone’s soul is immeasurably valuable.

MJBrune,

I’m not sure I agree with you that Hbomb did anything wrong

I mean, I hope I don’t come off as saying he did anything wrong. Just that it didn’t feel good.

this last video felt like watching somebody’s life being dismantled.

This is exactly what I mean. Like in the end, I want to imagine that James Somerton doesn’t harbor any resentment or hate towards HBomberGuy because I feel like they both want the same thing. They both want to write awesome content and great video essays about interesting things. Overall, I hope James turns it around.

MJBrune,

That’s a great point too and does sway me a bit to feeling better about this all. Just feels like a huge bummer. But maybe it’s a huge bummer that James needed to turn it around and be better.

MJBrune,

Even re-reading what I said, I don’t feel like I come off implying that at all. There needs to be room for conversation on how to handle the situation without saying that the victim’s feelings are less valid than the attacker’s. If there is a better way to word what I wrote to focus on that then please let me know.

I think TheRtRevKaiser said it best “This last video felt like watching somebody’s life being dismantled […] honestly the whole thing just kind of made me feel sad, I didn’t get much satisfaction out of it.” and that’s exactly what I was trying to convey.

MJBrune,

If he does have mental health issues stemming from this, then he should have just deleted all his accounts, accepted responsibility from his actions, and moved on to something else and work on his mental health.

I mean, I think he’s done that. He’s deactivated his Patreon, deleted his YouTube channel, and said that he’ll comment more when his mental health is better. Maybe I am a soft-hearted fool but it sounds like he’s done just that.

That said it’s important to remember everyone is human and makes mistakes.

As for what I’d do differently. I don’t know, I don’t think anything else could have been done differently I supposed but it just feels not great.

MJBrune,

Linux is only a problem for folks used to someone else.

I assume you mean for folks used to something else and if that’s what you mean, no, it’s not. People want to play minecraft, fortnite, and use office without problems. Hell, right now with how the Nvidia/Wayland situation is, I can’t even launch the fedora 36 live cd to install it without it crashing on my 3080, amd ryzen 9.

Also, the article is about ewaste. Meaning, these machines are going to be trashed unless someone puts linux on them. So I’d say your diatribe of misinformation was misplaced.

No, it doesn’t, It means they’ll be using Windows 10 without patching. At the EoL, Windows 10 doesn’t uninstall itself.

MJBrune,

Both Intel and AMD GPUs work fine on Linux. Both work fine with Wayland.

k, so for the least used hardware, linux works fine. Good to know.

Wayland has been around for over a decade and has been in a usable state for the last 3 or so years.

Eh, no, KDE last year just barely started working with Wayland.

Attributing the fact that Nvidia stuff still barely works to the fact that some distros have made Wayland the default is just stupid wrong.

The popular distros are what counts. Debian, Ubuntu, and Fedora. Just because you have some minor 0.00001% usage distro that still defaults to X11 doesn’t really matter.

Besides, Nvidia experience isn’t/wasn’t the smoothest even on Xorg. Linux desktop is simply not a priority for Nvidia.

Worked well enough for me to run into the dozen of other issues that Linux has. While I am sure you will just blow it off as not the true fault of Linux, the result is the same. I like most people want a usable environment. Linux doesn’t provide that out of the box. You can argue excuses for it all day but the end of it is, it’s not going to be a useful OS until it works out of the box with things like wacom tablets (which are broken with nvidia drivers), xbox controllers (which are just broken unless you do research and install the correct driver), and tons of incompatible software (which I am sure you can blame the developers for.) The end result is the same though, you don’t have a working environment.

MJBrune,

I don’t get this argument because EoL doesn’t mean they can’t keep windows 10 on it.

MJBrune,

Barely, I’m getting a bunch of Linux nerd flak due to a reasonable opinion I made as a top-level comment. So much for Be Nice.

MJBrune,

I like Linux but the issues I’ve had in the past, while they can be resolved, generally take up more time that I’m willing to put in. I don’t want a hobby just to keep my PC working.

That’s absolutely the case and it reminds me that Linux is a hobby OS for trinkering. Not a production OS for people who want to get stuff done. From 2008 to 2014 I used Linux as my daily driver. After that, I switched to Linux every year to see if it got better and it never truly has. This year I finally nuked my Linux hard drive and put NTFS on it as a 4th SSD for Windows to use. Linux might be ready one day but it will be because of a proprietary company gave it direction, motive, and industry connections to solve the problems with it.

MJBrune,

(or they can keep Windows 10 on it and just got get patches like many did with Windows XP)

MJBrune,

On windows it’s trivial.

MJBrune,

At EoL, corporate security tells the IT department to uninstall it.

In that case, big corporations are already on Windows 11 and have thrown away any Windows 10 computer that couldn’t upgrade. Most of those machines go home with people though.

Windows works great because MS tapes it back together slightly faster than it falls apart. When EoL hits, those devices are either trashed, firewalled into oblivion, or assimilated into the kube.

if this was true then Windows XP and 7 wouldn’t have lasted as long as they did.

MJBrune,

“It’s not reasonable or rooted in reality” - Yet multiple people saying “Oh, yeah I agree!” Instead of just insultingly saying it’s not reasonable or rooted in reality, assume good faith like you are supposed to as a beehawer. Explain your position, stop throwing shade on a valid opinion without any substance.

MJBrune,

So then Linux as a community needs to foster better working relations and funding for developers to get major things working on their platform.

there is no “Linux” in this room who decided to switch…

No, it’s more of a community hivemind which is part of the issue. A hivemind can act together for the most part but it increasingly becomes hard to have direction on a hivemind. It goes where it wants, you can’t direct it but only offer it paths. So the majority of Linux users seem to want to scream that Linux is fine to use for common users while also saying “Well we don’t need to be a majority OS anyways, we shouldn’t invest time into trying to become one.” Any feedback actual users give to Linux communities ends up like this discussion, just filled with excuses or remarks that the user is holding it wrong. Using the wrong hardware, using the wrong distro, not being knowledgeable enough. Yet they do nothing to resolve those issues.

So regarding this part:

that’s what could influence future decisions.

I don’t think anything can do that. Linux future decisions aren’t influenceable except by contributors and they do what they want without really being able to tell them that the OS they’ve contributed to is somehow broken.

MJBrune,

Sure I feel like the difference there is large corporations vs companies. I worked with a company that used Windows 98 in 2010. Probably used it until they shut down in 2019. That one computer probably lasted the lifetime of the company.

So those who can’t switch, won’t, and that’s fine, it’s still a usable computer without putting Linux on it. Those who can put Windows 11 on their computers will. Those who can afford new computers will upgrade. It’s not like these computers weren’t going to get replaced at one point anyway. Like this article points out, it “could” prompt a torrent of e-waste but realistically, it probably will produce the same amount of e-waste as we always have but now be under a different lens.

MJBrune,

Cool, AMD also isn’t a saint: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AMD_FX#Controversy pcgamer.com/starfield-partners-with-amd-and-oh-bo… every major company has it’s issues. I don’t hate AMD, I’d probably still buy them if I found them as good as Nvidia but overall I don’t. They still do some shady stuff like blocking rival upscalers or straight-up lying to customers.

So if you base your opinion of a company around one thing, that’s fine. More power to you. I see these large corporate hardware overlords as all the same and work with what makes my life easier.

MJBrune,

So in the past, I used Linux as a daily driver for over 5 years. I was a Freebsd Ports Porter for a few years, and am now a C++ programmer on games in which I release Linux builds for. I’m not unfamiliar with making Linux work. It’s not just drivers but a whole set of issues in which I had to drop Linux for Windows.

Also, the 1000s of different updates aren’t hyperbole. I’ve absolutely had that on Manjaro. On Linux Mint I have updates almost daily but it’s typically only a handful of things.

MJBrune,

I think the disconnect here is that others are saying “they aren’t supporting us,” and your response is pretty much “lol, abandon what you’re doing and go back to the corporations.”

My point is that Linux does nothing to make it easy to support. Nvidia even has made an open source kernel driver. github.com/NVIDIA/open-gpu-kernel-modules Nvidia is doing a lot of work to support Linux and people don’t seem to see it.

Also “it works on windows” is a terrible rebuttal in a discussion where you first say “it works fine on x11”

A question to configure Nvidia Optimus is also a terrible rebuttal in the first place. Optimus is blocked because Linux kernel doesn’t want proprietary blobs. AMD has the same exact issue.

MJBrune,

I used Linux as a daily driver for 5 years and was a FreeBSD porter for 2 years after that. I’ve been using Linux every year to pop in and see the issues and their current state. In this year alone, I’ve seen issues with Fedora, Linux Mint, and Manjaro. Hell, even right now the Fedora Live installer won’t launch on my desktop. It hard freezes before it can even get the installer up.

MJBrune,

If the installer is that easily scared off then it doesn’t deserve to be an installer. I treat the Windows installer far worse.

MJBrune,

I used to use XFCE religiously and since I’ve been popping my head back into Linux after moving to Windows, I have noticed I’ve been on Gnome and KDE far more. my XFCE days felt far more stable. That said, I don’t think the DE is solely to blame.

MJBrune,

I’ve bought this game because of you. This looks amazing, thank you for bringing it up!

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