S_Roman

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S_Roman,

there’s a ‘conservatives only’ community that bans anyone they don’t like.

That one actually got removed because the owner got banned. The owner was posting some absolutely crazy shit.

A moderate's view of political groups on lemmyworld

My comment will only mean something if you understand that I am actually a moderate. I have voted for both parties. I don’t vote for politicians. I vote for policies. Policies that I think make sense and actually work. As a for instance I am against the banning of abortion, but think there should be some time limit based on...

S_Roman,

Got heavily downvoted for it

That’s because you were supporting a policy that explicitly permits an action that can lead to children being harmed. When somebody outs another person as being LGBTQ+ it can fuck up their lives hard. Teachers and councilors shouldn’t be able to do that. It is a policy that directly undermines the trust students have in their teachers and councilors.

S_Roman, (edited )

It’s my right to disown any queer children I may or may not have, and it’s the school’s duty to help.

I could never be so proud to be so hateful. And I thought the republican party claimed to be the party of personal responsibility, and therefore, the responsibility to provide for your children no matter what?

I presume that’s the opinion of the people downvoting you.

I don’t mind at all.

S_Roman,

The oil lobby has paid copious amounts of money to propagandize the population, and to bribe republican politicians to continue their policy of laissez-faire.

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The U.S. Supreme Court’s recent term ended with a flurry of conservative-leaning decisions that have been met with shock and disapproval, particularly from the left. This conservative trend is seen as a reflection of the 6-3 conservative majority established during Trump’s presidency. Noteworthy rulings include siding with a...

S_Roman,

If the people want legislation, they should go through the legislative branch.

How is that a reasonable expectation? I don’t mean to be glib, this is a legitimate question. The chances that any given policy gets passed through congress and becomes a law is 30% regardless of public support:

http://cdn2.vox-cdn.com/assets/4315381/Gilens1.pngsource

So even when 99% of the population agrees on a bill, it still only has a 30% chance of passing. Bills that share the interests of the rich do not have this effect. They instead have this effect:

http://cdn0.vox-cdn.com/assets/4315397/Gilens2.png

I don’t mean to say that legislation should be through the judicial branch, but to me, treating the issue as simple as “go through the legislative branch” seems to miss the context that our legislation branch isn’t good for anything other than giving money to the rich. So if the people want legislation, how should they reasonably be expected to make it happen?

S_Roman,

doesn’t mean that we should actively go against our foundation of the nation. Sorry weed isn’t legalized, doesn’t mean that we should remove the judicial branch from the government.

Already covered that part:

“I don’t mean to say that legislation should be through the judicial branch”

You can thank the Chevron Deference case for that. Hopefully this SC court rules on that next year.

The supreme court is also in the pockets of the rich though.

Get involved. Vote for better candidates.

I do, and then those candidates typically don’t get very far because they get called communists for daring to say that maybe healthcare shouldn’t be for profit.

S_Roman,

Maybe. Are you able to prove this at all?

apnews.com/…/supreme-court-ethics-documents-confl…

pbs.org/…/ap-investigation-reveals-potential-conf… (Same root source but a 2nd take on it)

rollingstone.com/…/more-clarence-thomas-undisclos…

www.npr.org/2023/04/07/…/justice-thomas-trips

washingtonpost.com/…/high-court-has-been-siding-w…

Just because people disagree with you doesn’t mean the system is wrong.

I never said the system is wrong because people disagree with me.

I’m just pointing out that these solutions you are giving aren’t anywhere near as effective as you seem to think they are.

S_Roman, (edited )

You’re showing some conflict of interest, but come on.

Yup, that’s generally what “in the pocket of the rich” means. It means you have a conflict of interest to rule in favor of the rich because they have given you shit. I sincerely do not understand what part of that you’re hung up on.

He just ruled on roe v wade, show me how he’s in the pockets of the rich for that ruling

Just because somebody is in the pocket of the rich doesn’t mean that every single ruling will have something to do with money. You have an unrealistic expectation here as well.

If you’re looking for rulings that blatantly side with the rich, the citizens united ruling is the place to start.

Here is another good place to start: time.com/5793956/supreme-court-loves-rich/

Or anything, come on, you said it, make your point.

See the above links.

You said the system is broken and it’s because you get called a communist by someone online.

No I did not. If you’re going to spend the time to debate you should at least understand what people have said.

So you’re sad because vote isn’t overriding every one elses?

Nope. Never said that either.

I don’t know what you want me to say, to you not getting your way every election

I want you to acknowledge that there is no such thing as a simple solution for these problems. You keep saying “oh, just do X if Y doesn’t work”, but that’s not the reality of the situation, these problems require significant and complicated change.

S_Roman, (edited )

I’m encouraging you to show me.

I think I’m alright. I’m not going to waste my time any further.

You: The systems broken, I can’t get what I want!

Me: It’s up to your representatives, get involved, get better people in office

You: They call me a communist :(

Why say anything if you’re just gonna misrepresent what I’ve said?

S_Roman,

I know, hard to make an argument when you just make wild claims.

No, it’s just hard to talk with people who do not do so in good faith.

S_Roman,

You really couldn’t

You can lead a horse to water…

S_Roman,

I can’t explain something to somebody who doesn’t want to listen to the explanation.

S_Roman,

I’ve read every single word you’ve wrote and gone to each of your sources.

Reading something doesn’t mean anything if you don’t understand it.

Show me how money has altered any of the sitting current justices opinions.

See above and actually read in good faith.

S_Roman,

you gotta back up your claims.

I did, see above.

S_Roman,

Conservatives would just complain about it if he did.

S_Roman,

Lefists care way less about Biden than people think.

S_Roman, (edited )

We need voting reform to help fix our broken two party system.

We should outlaw all form of bribery (lobying), and we desperately need ranked choice voting or approval voting to make third party candidates viable, and to reduce the political extremism.

It would also help if we had journalism reform, because there is a lot of bullshit "journalism" being peddled around these days. Looking at you CNN, Fox News, MSNCBC, Breitbart, etc.

S_Roman, (edited )

Gender affirming care for children involves making irreversible decisions that can have long-term physical, psychological, and social consequences.

That's very misleading:

https://www.childrenshospital.org/programs/center-gender-surgery-program/eligibility-surgery

The only such permanent physical change available is top surgery, only for 15 year olds and up, and only after the following qualifications:

A letter from a medical doctor or nurse practitioner stating that you have "persistent, well documented, gender dysphoria" and specifying either the length of hormone therapy or why you are not taking hormone therapy.

A letter from a mental health provider stating that you have the capacity to consent and that any significant mental health issues are being addressed

Informed consent is a reasonable qualification for medical treatment for a something that is clearly a persistent health issue. And none of this is genital surgery.

As for "permanent psychological and social" change, that's a weird thing to take issue with given that any decision in your life could have such an effect. Go to the wrong school, choose the wrong job, wrong career, live in the wrong neighborhood, choose the wrong treatment/doctor for your cancer, thyroid issues, broken leg, cronic illness, etc, it all caries that risk. Life sucks and it has risk, it's unreasonable to expect no risk for anything, especially when it comes to medical stuff.

Lack of long-term research: The field of gender affirming care for children is relatively new, and there is a lack of comprehensive long-term research on the outcomes of these interventions.

That's a moot point because the research we do have already shows that GAC is the best option for the health of patients. Why is it the best? Because the alternative is suicide. People with gender dysphoria end up killing themselves when they don't get treatment.

Ethical considerations of irreversible interventions: Gender affirming care for children often involves irreversible medical interventions such as hormone therapy or surgeries

You are exaggerating the permanency of the hormone stuff, it takes a constant source of medication for that stuff. These things aren't overnight changes either. It takes a long while before anything like puberty blockers or HRT is even allowed, there has to be a long medical history of dysphoria prior to that. And I've already covered the misinformation about surgeries above.

Do you know what's even more permanent than all these things combined? Suicide. If I had a Trans kid I would rather have them alive. That's a bigger ethical consideration.

Parental rights and autonomy: Decisions regarding a child’s gender affirming care should be primarily left to the parents, as they are responsible for the well-being of their children.

This I can agree with, however:

By allowing a diversity of perspectives and not imposing a single medical consensus

This isn't right. I would hope you wouldn't say this about other things.

"Gravity? We shouldn't impose a single physicist consensus, we should allow a diversity of perspectives"

Science is the best tool we have for learning objectively about things, including medical. It's a bad move to value it at zero.

S_Roman,

Only after the following, reasonable requirements:

A letter from a medical doctor or nurse practitioner stating that you have “persistent, well documented, gender dysphoria” and specifying either the length of hormone therapy or why you are not taking hormone therapy.

A letter from a mental health provider stating that you have the capacity to consent and that any significant mental health issues are being addressed

Informed consent is the very basis for modern medical decisions. This is a reasonable standard to avoid harm. And this isn't an overnight thing that you can just get approval for, it takes years to get to this point.

S_Roman, (edited )

I wouldn’t trust any child to make an adequately informed decision

There are children who spend years of their childhood socially transitioned in some way or another. If they've done so, (which is more or less what the medical requirements are), and still after years are ok with their choice to have socially transitioned, and couple that with medical professionals being responsible, I don't see how there is an issue.

I also suspect the top surgery is more meant for people who are born inter sex, because I know if I was born inter sex, and identified as a man, I would not want to keep having man titties.

who talk about being the opposite sex or about being some other form of LGBTQIA+ when they haven’t even developed sexual attraction yet.

Gender and sexual attraction are two different things. You don't need to have any sexual attraction to have a gender identity. For instance, an ex of mine was ace, but she was still a woman. And gender identity starts forming as early as age 2:

https://www.healthychildren.org/English/ages-stages/gradeschool/Pages/Gender-Identity-and-Gender-Confusion-In-Children.aspx

Here is a good starting resource that can help break down the differences in these definitions:

https://www.npr.org/2021/06/02/996319297/gender-identity-pronouns-expression-guide-lgbtq

S_Roman,

You’ve confused gender for sex, which are two different things. Sex is assigned at birth, whereas gender is performative. You behave, think, dress, etc your gender.

S_Roman, (edited )

Trans people are not new, and there is plenty of data. And the conclusion to that data among medical professionals is that gender affirming care is the best way to help people.

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