Wistful, 11 months ago

In pubs or even ranked, not really, but he was pretty dominant in competitive matches. I don't follow pros much, I watch a short video here and there when it pops up, but in majority of those, seer was in the mix, especially while he could still use his ult through a Cat wall. They nerfed that and now they nerfed him. Community has been complaining about "wallhack" abilities for a while, and they've been slowly but surely nerfing such abilities, I guess it was Seer's turn.

These changes are mix of nerfs and buffs, it will probably change his whole play-style. His ult seems like it's going to be almost useless now, and his Q receiving such long silence ability...makes me wonder what will they do about Revenants abilities for his revamp, because now it seems like Seer has a better version of Revenant's tactical.

Wistful, 11 months ago

Explanation with examples:

All the credit goes to the original writer.
Link to original comment: https://lemmy.world/comment/205763

I came up with a list of examples to explain this, but I can't see to add them to the post. I'm having a really hard time posting today. So here they are in a comment. I think this helps show exactly what's going on.

Examples

If this still doesn't make sense, then try the following examples. I hope being able to see defederation in action makes this a little more clear.

Beehaw Communities

We're going to use gaming@beehaw.org as an example of what happens to beehaw communities

Here are three links:

• https://beehaw.org/c/gaming/data_type/Post/sort/New/page/1
• https://lemmy.world/c/gaming@beehaw.org/data_type/Post/sort/New/page/1
• https://lemmy.ml/c/gaming@beehaw.org/data_type/Post/sort/New/page/1

The first link is the beehaw gaming community as hosted on beehaw. All of these are sorted by new, because it makes it very obvious when defederation went into effect. You can see that there are several new posts.

The second link is the beehaw gaming community as hosted on lemmy.world. You can see that all the posts before defederation (5 hours ago at time of writing) are the same as the beehaw one. But now, none of new posts are visible. We no longer get updates from the "true" version on beehaw. There are some new posts there, but all are posted by lemmy.world users. And the posts from lemmy.world users are not visible on beehaw.

The final link is to the beehaw gaming community as hosted on lemmy.ml. This is identical to the beehaw.org community, as the "true" version is on beehaw.org, the one that gets updated on other communities is the "true" version.

Lemmy.world communities

We'll use the lemmyworld base community as an example:

• https://beehaw.org/c/lemmyworld@lemmy.world/data_type/Post/sort/New/page/1
• https://lemmy.world/c/lemmyworld/data_type/Post/sort/New/page/1
• https://lemmy.ml/c/lemmyworld@lemmy.world/data_type/Post/sort/New/page/1

The first post is the version of this community as hosted on beehaw.org. You can see from 5 hours ago, there are no more posts. That's because they no longer receive the "true" version of this community. Someone on there could still post, but then it would only be visible to other people on beehaw.org.

The second shows it as hosted on lemmy.world. We can see all the posts. The last link shows it as hosted on lemmy.ml, and we can see it's the same as the lemmy.world version. The "true" version is on lemmy.world, so lemmy.ml keeps up with the updated version.

Third instance communities

Finally, we have the example of communities that are on instances that have not been defederated by beehaw.org.

• https://beehaw.org/c/asklemmy@lemmy.ml/data_type/Post/sort/New/page/1
• https://lemmy.world/c/asklemmy@lemmy.ml/data_type/Post/sort/New/page/1
• https://lemmy.ml/c/asklemmy/data_type/Post/sort/New/page/1

We can see all three of these versions look pretty similar. That's because for the most part they are. We are identical with lemmy.ml, as lemmy.ml hosts the "true" version, and we get all updates from the "true" version. Beehaw.org will not get posts/comments from us, so beehaw actually doesn't have the most "true" version of this community.

Comment example

I found this one really entertaining:

• https://beehaw.org/post/568532?scrollToComments=true
• https://lemmy.world/post/148178?scrollToComments=true
• https://lemmy.ml/post/1267202

This is the same post hosted on three different instances. Since the community is on lemmy.ml, the "true" version of this post is the lemmy.ml one.

It was posted by a beehaw.org user AFTER defederation, but it's still visible to lemmy.world users, since the community it was posted to is lemmy.ml, not beehaw.org. We can comment on it, and those comments are sent to the "true" version on lemmy.ml (and then shared to the wider fediverse). However, comments from lemmy.world are NOT sent to the version of this post on beehaw.org.

When I found this example, there were only two comments on this post, both from lemmy.world users. So the poster did not get an initial response because of defederation.

Wistful, 11 months ago

• Go to https://slrpnk.net/communities/listing_type/All/page/1
• Paste https://discuss.tchncs.de/c/lemmytips in the search field
• Click search and wait for the text saying "No results." (under the search button) to disappear
• After that you will be able to search/access it from your instance

Wistful, 11 months ago

Lemmy guide and F.A.Q.

Wistful, 11 months ago

Is it possible to do other way around? Comment on kbin from lemmy?

Wistful, 11 months ago

Thank you for the response.
I have one more question...
Given enough time, if people stop interacting with the certain post, are all the votes and comments going to synchronize at the end, so that they match across the instances? Or are there some other factors that make that impossible?

Wistful, 11 months ago (edited 11 months ago)

There is one more comment on this post at the time that I'm writing this, and I cannot currently see it on this instance, even though it's been posted 19 minutes ago apparently.
I can see it from beehaw.org and feddit.de instances, and can't see it from the lemmy.ml.
That's quite a delay, I do hope they do something about it, to make it more responsive.

Wistful, 11 months ago

Yep, weird. And I got notification for your comment instantly...It almost seems random.

Wistful, 11 months ago

Same thing for !vivaldi_browser. I even subscribed to it but it is not showing under Communities > Subscribed. And I can't see a single post.

Wistful, 11 months ago (edited 10 months ago)

^Test comment. Ignore.^