#KnowNothing#CardiB is too stupid to realize that NOT voting for #Biden is a vote FOR #Trump, and that her boycott of #Election2024 could be her last — She might not get another opportunity to vote EVER.
@benroyce@nicholas_saunders@rameshgupta You, like most people, appear to be a zealous moral realist / moral objectivist. Chiming in here to point out that there is another way of viewing things, as a moral skeptic / moral subjectivist. To the moral skeptic, "a strong moral core" is a fantasy that people simply hope exists.
@benroyce@nicholas_saunders@rameshgupta FWIW I think people should vote for Biden and will vote for Biden. And I think not voting in protest is misinformed. I just have a moral skeptic streak and tend to reject moral arguments as a policy.
Look, I totally get it. Israel, tariffs, student loans, or his age might make you angry at Joe Biden.
All I'm suggesting is that unless you think he's doing whatever makes you angry is because he's doing only because he's evil than it's worth the effort to assume that for some reason(s) you may not understand forced him to make an unpopular decision because attacking him only helps the political party that seems at this point to actually be supporting evil imo anyways. #VoteBlue#VoteClimate
@GreenFire This may sound flippant, but it very much depends who you ask. North Koreans definitely want you to do what is best for North Koreans and there are 30 million fully realized human beings there, most of whom probably think they are very good people (as is human nature). This is the nature of subjectivity that is trippy and hard for people to grasp.
@GreenFire No, I'm American and find North Korea and Iran unpalatable. I just have been wrestling my whole life with how there can be "rogue nations." Think about what that means. Not a rogue cult of a few people who do weird and objectionable stuff. Not a rogue town or enclave. An entire nation- millions strong. Think about the diversity of people who constitute these rogue nations, and how they all think they are good people, just like us.
@GreenFire North Korea is just an extreme example. Think about Trump voters. There are not a few hundred or a few thousand of them. There are millions and millions. They think they are good people. They will not be persuaded.
@GreenFire But even among your audience. The people who are just close enough politically to Biden will agree with what you are saying, and the people who are just left enough to want to vote against him and help North Korea and Russia will do so. And they will not be persuaded either.
@GreenFire The one piece of knowledge I think I possess and am trying to convey is that we live in a deterministic universe and this sort of persuasion effort is part of that deterministic program. It's possible that this persuasion effort has some non-zero impact on the ultimate outcome, as a function of the number of people who see your message, were on the fence or receptive to persuasion, and changed their mind based on the persuasion.
@patrickworld I don't think it's specifically because of the genetically modified kidney. He only qualified for xenotransplantation because he was already terminally ill. Such a radical procedure can only be approved for people who qualify for compassionate use treatments.
@nicholas_saunders I wish instead of chanting "free, free Palestine" they would chant "Israelis and Palestinians side by side" or "Israelis and Palestinians united in peace."
@nicholas_saunders@shekinahcancook "no nations no borders" is a position of privilege. Israel had no nations or borders prior to its founding. The result was skirmishes and raids from violent Palestinian groups. Israel decided to establish borders to better protect their citizens, re-learning a lesson that western countries had already learned about statism.
Given statistics on veganism, you have a 95-99% chance that anyone making a moral claim is a selective ethicist. The low rate of ethical veganism further supports my hunch that everyone is a selective ethicist.
@shekinahcancook@meltedcheese Back to my point about reality and power though, if the climate deniers continue to burn so many fossil fuels, that will mark a failure of the people who believed the climate models to muster sufficient power to avert climate disaster. So the outcome would be the same irrespective of whether the climate models had existed or not.
My catch phrase would be "you don't get extra points for being 'morally' right."
@shekinahcancook@meltedcheese To use that extremely misunderstood word, the climate deniers seem to be "winning" objectively speaking, and it's unclear if the climate believers have sufficient power (of numbers, persuasion, military force, technological advancement) to fix that.
@shekinahcancook@meltedcheese I am holding out hope for a "deus ex machina" type technological solution, similar to the fix for the hole in the ozone layer. Also, grimly, I imagine there should be negative feedback loops where climate change radically reduces human population which in turn reduces green house gas emissions.