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escarpment

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Anonymous person. I'm here to read and learn. I like to help people. If someone has a question, consents to receiving advice, and I know the answer, I gladly provide that answer.

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lzg, to random
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“misidentification”

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@lzg how useful are those markings at night?

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@lzg Presumably if you misidentified a convoy as threatening in the dark of night using night vision, you would hit each of the vehicles one by one.

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@lzg The IDF is large. Clearly this was a miscommunication between different parts of the IDF.

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@lzg People may prefer to believe that the IDF has some sort of blood lust for aid workers but it's simply not true.

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@lzg An enemy (Hamas) that cares less about civilians than the IDF does (hijacks and diverts aid away from women and children to soldiers; hides among civilian populations; disguises as civilians and disguises as aid workers). And for such a destitute and pitiable enemy, Hamas seems to continue to put up a significant amount of resistance, continuing not to agree to a ceasefire and continuing to shoot at Israel.

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@lzg Yes, they started it. I'm not talking to mom. It is salient who started it. Prior to Oct 7, Israel was not bombing Gaza while Hamas was firing rockets at Israel. Hamas started this. All the loss of life is their responsibility and they can stop it any time they choose.

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@lzg There is no terrible or great, monsters or angels. There are only actions and reactions and consequences.

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@lzg Hamas are not terrible, Israel are not monsters. Hamas simply attacked Israel and neglected their population, despite knowing Israel would retaliate. Israel retaliated as promised. Those are the actions and reactions.

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@lzg International law is bunk. It's a set of unenforceable hot air which states selectively care about.

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@lzg Morality does not exist. There is no objective metric of right and wrong. The United States is not a party to The Hague because it does not consent to the Hague's jurisdiction.

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@lzg It is immoral not to wear a hijab in Iran. It is immoral to have an abortion in Texas. I'm over "morality"- it's a self-serving cover for whatever opinions people hold.

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@lzg This is simply the mainstream philosophical school of moral anti-realism. Most people can't stomach it but it's an inconvenient observation from philosophy.

https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/moral-anti-realism/

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@lzg Not simply the view of teenagers, but a view that merits serious reflection from gray haired philosophers.

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@lzg I'm not always a moral anti-realist. I'm open to different philosophical schools. But lately I find moral anti-realism compelling because it best explains situations like this and others. I find most people are selectively moral anti-realist, e.g. "drug addiction is not a moral failing" or "food is neutral".

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@lzg Because killing them has the consequence of inflaming further anger at Israel, and the defense is necessary to counteract that consequence. The consequence is another reason to try one's best to avoid doing it in the first place.

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@lzg Killing whoever you want has the consequence of further isolating you and risking further retaliation. This dynamic "rhymes" with morality but isn't quite the same. Instead, I'm just thinking in terms of actions and reactions or consequences of those actions.

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@lzg Moral anti-realism is not the same thing as sadism or immorality. This is another common mistake. It's just the observation that "killing is objectively neither right nor wrong, but tends to carry with it consequences, which people subjectively care about to different degrees depending on their proximity."

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@lzg Sam Bankman-Fried stealing money from crypto investors is morally neutral, but carried with it the consequence of 25 years in prison, reflecting the subjective outrage of the United States government on behalf of its citizens who were victimized.

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@lzg Nothing is justified. There is no justice or justification. There are just actions and reactions. Cycles of violence exist. If they did not, we would not have this conversation. We are aligned that we subjectively prefer them not to exist. But so far, both of us (and many others) have failed to stop this cycle of violence.

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@lzg Call it insufferable. I'm simply trying to understand the world. I too am shocked and outraged by violence, especially when I have never personally been violent or been the victim of violence. I live in peace. But violence seems to exist and moral shaming does nothing to lower the amount of violence.

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@lzg Things matter subjectively. Jewish people matter subjectively to me. I have many Israeli friends. Israelis align with my values. I'm not fine with killing personally- I detest it subjectively.

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@junkman @lzg Feel free to write off my inconvenient ideas as trolling.

timbray, to Israel
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Old folks like me remember the Eighties when the civilized parts of the world decided that the South African and Rhodesian apartheid states were no longer acceptable and systematically excluded them from sports and culture and commerce and, basically, civilization.

To me it seems plausible that #Israel is heading down a very similar path.

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@timbray The world never "had patience" for Israel. Before Israel's founding, Jewish immigrants to Palestine faced xenophobic and antisemitic violence from the local population. When Israel declared independence (with the UN's blessing), this violence escalated to a full blown military conflict. The message to Jewish people has always been "go home, outsider."

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@timbray I would view the history of South Africa in less moralistic terms, or less in terms of historical "progress". South Africa is now an increasingly corrupt state that grows increasingly closer Russia. They bring a genocide case against Israel to the ICJ but stay mum about Darfur and refused to arrest Omar Al-Bashir over Darfur.

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@timbray I will grant you that the "wealthy democracies" are "losing patience" with Israel because the propaganda of the regressive extreme right (Hamas, Iran) has somehow wormed its way to becoming a celebrated cause of the western progressive left.

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