gnramires

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Gustavo N Ramires

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avandeursen, to random
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Very interesting long read on “value capture” — when measurements like grades, citation counts, or step counts take over the true values (learning, writing, health) you actually care about. Also related to “stop the numbers game” by David Parnas (“Counting papers slows the rate of scientific progress”).

https://philarchive.org/rec/NGUVCH
https://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/document?repid=rep1&type=pdf&doi=a185c913482fc0d0e42291bec4748e24438c130b

Via @smallcircles, @aredridel

gnramires,

@smallcircles @avandeursen @jesper I think multiple solutions will be needed an emerge :) I think solutions can come from small changes to existing social systems and governments (charity and government incentives and programs), and broader changes. I believe in both (a) Stimulating spontaneous donations from individuals (toward what matters); and (b) Creating institutions specialized in evaluating what matters (like grant evaluators already do) with a broad view.

gnramires,

@smallcircles @avandeursen @jesper What do I mean by broad view? I mean evaluating all fronts: (a) Long term impact on wellbeing of society in general -- that's the guiding principle. But in a sense it's hard and debatable, so it is complemented by other approaches (that just specialize in aspects of this goal); (b) Environmental impact (more objective specialization); (c) Psychological impact on users; (d) Technical benefit (to other projects, e.g. for tool development).

gnramires,

@smallcircles @avandeursen @jesper I believe there's a duality to fragmentation (local, small) and unification (global, large), and it needs to be understood and respected. Both have their value: too big scale disallows nuance, closeness and intimacy; too small scale leads to disintegration and too low flow of ideas.

I think we went too quickly from small (local newspapers) to too big (twitter?). The scale is in favour of global news, which does favor global peace, but it can be too much.

gnramires,

@smallcircles @avandeursen @jesper There are other balances that I think we get wrong currently:

(1) Solitude <-> Connectedness

(2) Consumption <-> Creation

and so on. I think Netflix's idea of "Attention economy", that it needs to capture as many viewing hours from people as possible, is a disaster, compared to the notion that it should simply improve people's lives (with genuinely great content that does so). Hours viewed should be just another metric to get to that goal.

gnramires,

@smallcircles @avandeursen @jesper My life might be much better watching a single show that really speaks to me, rather than watching a number of shallow shows that try to have me glued to the screen. My hours of rest and everything else I have to do in life is important. I don't want a service that tries to maximize my time with it, I want a service that wants to help me, to make my life amazing, and to make me a better person too.

benfry, to random
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“Let’s say you have six-year-old twins. They both write you a birthday card. One uses A.I., the other one doesn’t. The A.I. art will be “better.” It won’t have typos, it will display great calligraphy and a perfect drawing. And still, I would throw it straight into the garbage and keep the human-made one. For me, art is about human intent. If a larger audience agrees, creators will be fine; otherwise, we’re doomed.”

https://www.newyorker.com/culture/cover-story/cover-story-2023-11-20

gnramires,

@textfiles @benfry Good point (although this is probably meant as a figurative way of speaking). The point is that the handmade option should be encouraged and cherished. Because the child that draws himself, however "poorly" is likely expressing himself more, developing his skills both technical and artistic. If the AI does everything for him, he doesn't get the opportunity to communicate or to develop, and instead gets a canned but "well made" response.

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