But my big realization today is that I don't have to understand all that to get started!
Love that! Yeah, the lack of federation on kbin.social while the dev prepares the server has been a gift and a curse. It's definitely allowing native magazines here to thrive, but it does feel a bit hollow like subreddits started to.
If you want to dip your toes into the full breadth of the fediverse from the safety of a kbin (reddit-style) app, the fedia.io instance is fully functioning and federated. You can browse content from all around the fediverse, including what I imagine may be larger, more active forums currently for anime and news on instances like lemmy.ml (careful, they're under load too), lemmy.one, beehaw.org, and of course fedia.io itself.
With OAuth from Github, Google, and FB available to kbin logins, I'm sure SiWE is doable. Might just take a chat with the dev once things calm down and we're still nascent. That'd be a huge win.
At first I was led to believe it was a "retweet" -- that it would post to your (the boosting user's) microblog. But over the days I think it's more of a signal booster, a sort of community-driven pin. Basically, it moves boosted comments (or threads) up the page, for more viewership. We'll see how it works best as time goes on.
Thanks. Definitely tech skills. Don't need funding anytime soon. I'm extremely tech savvy and have a homelab, but never attempted anything remotely like a kbin server before. I basically crunched an entire server admin course into 3 days to try and get something up and running for us.
Anyway, the only way to register and login currently is Google OAuth, which isn't great for a DeSo website. I also got my Github OAuth key running but... there's no button. I'm unable to get the kbin instance to talk to my SMTP server, which is just a namshi container. So, people were signing up -- and I can see them -- but they're all "inactive" and unverified because no emails are going out.
Perhaps most importantly, I'd be happy to turn off email verification and just let people sign up freely. I just don't know how to do it.
If you've got the skills, I'd see if you can grab the repo from codeberg/kbin and parse through the symfony compose and ENV files. You'll have to explain the solutions to a dumb dumb like me, but I'd greatly appreciate it.
It's all the dev's hard work for now. I just made the magazine for us.
You should be able to @ me. Testing this @anon (what a username to claim!)
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Not sure, I haven't toyed with infinite scroll yet. (Didn't want to push the servers any harder than necessary for now.) It could be a UI bug that needs multiple refreshes or even a log out/in?
Yo! Yes, threads here are either "articles" (on reddit would be a text post), links, and photos. On kbin, a "post" is essentially a tweet. Those are viewable in the Microblog tab.
I too have our daily and the cs at the top of the homepage. While it's possible there's enough activity her to place us at the top, I can't imagine it'll stay that way for long. I would anticipate all of these UI quirks being addressed over the coming days and weeks. I agree it's not ideal. The dev is working around the clock and could even be breaking things as he works.
In the meantime, I'd check out various Magazines and see what interests you can find established here. Hopefully the communities here are chill as they gear up.
I believe the front page is currently operating like an r/all. In fact when they restore federation, you'll start to see content from other instances (Lemmy, almost certainly)!
But while that's super cool, many don't want that. I'd set your bookmark for https://kbin.social/sub for now. That'll filter it.
Hi all and welcome to kbin and m/ethfinance, our temporary-and-maybe-someday-more home while reddit learns its lesson.
I didn't get a chance to reply to everyone in the previous thread, but I did read. Please feel free to ask me any questions about kbin, Lemmy, the fediverse, and I'll try to answer. I've spent quite a few days now exploring it. I also encourage fediverse users to chime in, whether it's from Mastodon experience or somewhere else.
The dev (@ernest) is lovely, responsive, and working hard right now. Feel free to chip in with suggestions at m/kbinmeta or if you have web dev experience, maybe consider reaching out directly to help.
No doubt you're all noticing kbin is slow. It's good to remember that the beauty of federated (decentralized) servers is also in the initial brutality. Servers can be run by anyone (great!) but servers must be run by someone (oof). Ernest is one guy, spinning up a server for refugees of a global conglomerate. It's partly why I tried -- and will keep trying -- to open a server of our own.
I'd encourage everyone to have a little patience, be extra kind and gracious, and at worst, take a little time away from the screen if it's crawling. They're planning a large infrastructure change next week. In the meantime, try to enjoy the brave new world here. We haven't had a truly "new" website to explore in many years. It's kinda exciting!
Tough to say. This local S/R at $1715 and $1750 is rather new, only created by the volume back in March and April. Yet this whole general zone $1640-1940 was a bottom in 2021. So one could say it's stronger as a potential base due to that.
With the ratio ailing, we're dependent on BTC right now, which is in its pre-bull dominance phase -- likely topping around 50-55 this cycle so we're close.
But should grandpa finally lose this support at 25.4-25.7k... it's elevator down to $23.5k, maybe even the weekly MA at 22.
Awesome, glad it's re-enabled! This is what I saw in the days leading up to the blackout and what I wanted everyone to see. Thanks for trying out the federation stuff!
I seem to be running into an error where I can't Favourite (upvote) any comments below a parent comment. Apologies if your totals are off today or comments appear "underseen". I am reading and replying!
Yep but did you get the far more important comment?
"No rate cuts for two years". Which sets up my (admittedly) distant option 2 as now the primary option... one final bull market before the secular bear, and the preservation of the ridiculous 4yr cycle for better or worse.
2023 is confirmed as a 2019 building year. 2024 can be the fakeout to breakout 2020. 2025 (with rate cuts at some point) as the parabolic blowoff 2021.
Correct, no mod tools yet. Ironically, the first lemmy or kbin spam bot (of course) has shown up in more popular comm/mags. folks are just manually working on it for now.
With the open-source nature and now many eyes on, development should move rapidly. But it's good to remember the software is only a little over a month old. The main dev is focused on stability and security for now while others appear to be making pull requests on user-friendly features.
Yeah there's a little leeway. From the announcement of the cut, to the execution, to the final rollover there's a warning period. 2008 was about a four month period to begin easing out of positions and prepare for the drop. It also had two "humps" to the cut cycle. The markets topped for good in between them.
From what I can tell, subscribing from another instance creates a new community/magazine there on that instance which is fed by the original. So upon a fedia.io user subscribing to us here, they'd general something like: fedia.io/m/ethfinance@kbin.social. And my understanding is it begins collecting data from kbin once that link is established. My understanding is prior content isn't brought over.
I'll check on the username thing but I do believe it's what you fear... a username on one server doesn't preclude it from being registered letter for letter on another. Because with current tools, how could it? That's definitely something to look into and goddamn would web3/ethereum-based authentication be amazing for that verification process!
So back to your instance, should we be using that instead of using this?
Certainly not at this time, if only because it doesn't really work yet. I don't know how the first migration would work since the database would be coming from kbin.social's owner ernest himself. We can't trust that this initial magazine will be preserved, only hope. After that once a person in our community controls the DB -- or a committee or DAO -- then yes, it's an easy transfer via rsycn/rclone/pick your poison.
At this time, my understanding is that content is nominally mirrored -- not "mirrored" in the sense of the word any IT pro would use. Should an instance go down...
First, the two would coincide. There's nothing at this time "destructive" in starting up another m/ethfinance on any kbin instance, or lemmy instance, or anywhere in the fediverse. It would live there just like r/gaming and r/games and r/truegaming do, and users would gravitate toward the community best fitting them.
Threads/comments/external links/posts (in the microblog) are cataloged by any other instance that properly federated and subscribed to the magazine from the point at which a user subscribed.
So, let's say I or someone else signed up over on new kbin server readit.buzz, we'd have to register on readit as a user there, then browse to and subscribe to ethfinance@kbin.social to start bringing over data. I've seen signs that the number of cross-subscribers (inventing this term) on a given instance helps prioritize the speed of syncing.
Caveats are as you've mentioned before: the data earlier than subscription is not brought over, original media is lost unless re-hosted elsewhere, and perhaps most importantly... the links are erased from time (eg. Google searches) so that archival threads, well, aren't. It's similar to the days of lost phpBB communities and forums in that regard.
Lastly, it is a very easy process to backup and transfer the database. However, because there is at least one step involved there with an admin, we cannot yet call it anywhere near "trustless"
I believe admin Sign-in With Ethereum (via Safe) partially solves this and a VPS company accepting Safe SiWE nearly entirely solves it. But that's a wish and a dream at this point. (Sidenote: what's the old dApp that used to parcel out CPU cycles for tokens, was it Gnosis? Or something else with a G?)
Hanni covered most of it. There is a greasemonkey -- or tampermonkey/violentmonkey, whatever kids call it these days -- script that moves the comment box up, but that relies on your comfort with JS scripts in your browser you use for crypto. If you sandbox your crypto and have a separate public browser, then greasemonkey scripts are historically usually fine but keep an eye on it. Otherwise best to wait for the dev to fix. His philosophy was that people on kbin should read all comments before adding to a discussion, but while that's very noble, it's unsustainable beyond the small community his beta was planned for haha.
This is fantastic. I wonder if Aether's "data replication" should be yellow? As it relies on users manually deciding to save/archive anything before the six-month mark. Easy to setup, but the expectation of that is slightly less than green dot, no?
Absolutely one to keep in the options. I like the look and true p2p is great.
The lack of development is certainly something to track. Ghostware/deadware means as it scales and fixes become necessary, we rely on fresh devs to fork, right?
I liked what I saw of Plebbit last week, yeah. Please keep an eye on these for us. Although admittedly, folks seem oddly ready to forgive and forget with reddit.
It's bizarre -- the EF sub reopened but many of the comments were espousing how, paraphrasing, "they're so glad to be back as r/ethfinance is the only place they really frequent on reddit!" And I'm like, well if you're already cordoned off to just the EF sub then why's it matter if it's hosted on reddit, aside from server load -- which is a fair point to be addressed. It's a little frustrating in that regard.
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