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A Swiss populist party rebounds and the Greens sink in the election. That's a big change from 2019 (apnews.com)

Official results in Switzerland election show that the anti-immigration Swiss People’s Party has rebounded from searing losses four years ago to cement and expand its hold as the largest faction after the parliamentary election.

Gaza faces ‘humanitarian catastrophe’ as power plant running out of fuel (www.aljazeera.com)

Gaza’s power authority has said the blockaded enclave’s sole power plant will run out of fuel within hours, leaving the Palestinian territory without electricity after Israel cut off supplies in retaliation to the recent attacks by Hamas, the armed group that runs Gaza....

xNIBx,

Well, there kinda was and hamas was elected 15 years ago, when the last elections happened. But still, doing warcrimes(deliberately cutting a large population off electricity, water and food) is not acceptable, even if the other side warcrimed you.

xNIBx,

In what way Gaza isnt occupied? Can the inhabitants leave? Can you get stuff in and out of that area? Just because it doesnt have actual israeli occupiers inside Gaza, doesnt mean that it isnt occupied.

If you live in a place and armed guards dont let you leave or get anything in or out, are you free?

It would be odd if it were a war crime not to provide a hostile enemy territory with supplies while being attacked by them.

When the territory was never independent and was always dependent on you and you never allowed it to become independent, then yes, you have an obligation to keep those people alive. And thats the bare minimum legal obligation that you have. Dont take my word, literally the EU's foreign policy chief Josep Borrell says so

"Israel has a right to self-defence, but it has to be done within international law ... cutting water, cutting electricity, cutting food to a mass of civilian people is against international law,"

Even if you ignore the moral thing of you know, not letting people die for no reason, Israel has a legal obligation. Similarly to how when a country occupies a territory, they have an obligation to provide for that territory. So unless Israel decides to recognize Gaza as a sovereign, free and independent state, they are responsible for it and its inhabitants.

xNIBx,

Because Israel unilaterally left Gaza in 2005, as per the above link, and dismantled their settlements there.

Having the prison guards live next to your house instead of inside your house makes little difference.

Egypt has agreed to allow supplies through, and air shipments are happening until the crossing is clear. Under normal circumstances they only let people out and oil and some humanitarian aid supplies in, everything else goes through Israel.

So they cant move things.

It literally does. What exists now is called a blockade.

So was Vichy France independent just because it technically wasnt occupied by nazi troops? In fact, it was occupied a few years later, when the war started going to shit for the nazis.

The reason Gaza wasn't allowed total freedom and autonomy has something to do with its regular attacks against civilians, and also Israel wanting leverage over them, leverage they are now using now to get their kidnapped back

So how do you think this will ever end? Are you saying that the only solution, is the final solution?

Bold of Gaza to launch a massive terror attack on a state they are dependent on, then complain about human rights abuses when they stop assisting them. If Israel went by Hamas' playbook, there would be no Palestine.

So you think it is unfair for the rest of the world to demand from Israel to be a law abiding nation while fighting a terrorist organization? Do you think Israel should be allowed to kill thousands of innocent palestinians just because Hamas did it?

And does it make that big of a difference if you kill people with an AK or if you bomb and starve them?

I just want you to imagine some other state deliberately going out of its way to cut all water, electricity and food to a region with 2 million people because 1000 "x" people attacked and killed 1000 "y" people. Let's say if Azerbaijan did it to the Nagorno-Karabakh armenian enclave(well not anymore). Do you think that would be morally acceptable?

I am ok with ethnic cleansing, i am actually a big proponent. But if Israel thinks this is the solution, they should come out and state it. Because honestly, i cant justify Israel's actions(cutting water, food and electricity) in any other context.

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