Leisureguy,

@ct_bergstrom

I'm curious about your take on the evolution science in this article. Are the ideas presented well-accepted mainstream?

https://aeon.co/essays/why-did-darwins-20th-century-followers-get-evolution-so-wrong

michaelgemar,

@Leisureguy @ct_bergstrom I’m just an interested civilian, but symbiogenesis is pretty conventionally accepted, as is horizontal gene transfer and transposable elements. However, as I understand it, “junk DNA” is still under debate, but claims that all DNA encodes “biologically significant molecules” are vastly exaggerated.

ct_bergstrom,

@michaelgemar @Leisureguy also true IMO

alexwild,
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@Leisureguy @ct_bergstrom I’m not Carl, but most of that article is filled with strawman arguments and a misunderstanding of what geneticists mean by “random”.

Leisureguy,

@alexwild @ct_bergstrom

Thank you. By "strawman arguments," do you mean that his view of evolution is what is accepted by the opponents he describes are figments?

alexwild,
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@Leisureguy @ct_bergstrom

I mean, he’s mischaracterizing what Darwinian evolutionists claim.

An example: he makes a big deal about Darwinian thought being about slow, gradual, incremental change, which is sometimes not correct, we now know.

But Darwin was building a case against sudden creation, or saltational change, and what is generally meant by “gradual”, is “not instantaneous”.

ct_bergstrom,

@Leisureguy @alexwild I couldn’t bring myself to do more than skim, but my textbook Evolution has nearly a hundred pages on the topics the author claims don’t appear in evolution textbooks.

ct_bergstrom, (edited )

@Leisureguy @alexwild I am Carl, and I very much appreciate you reading it so I didn’t have to.

I am always curious what the agenda is behind these mischaracterize-the-entire-field pieces about evolutionary biology. I guess Shapiro just feels like for most of his career his work was not adequately appreciated?

Leisureguy,

@ct_bergstrom @alexwild

Point taken. Apologies for asking.

ct_bergstrom,

@Leisureguy @alexwild

No apology required!

Asking experts is the best way to deal with bullshit in the popular press.

ronpar,
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@ct_bergstrom @Leisureguy @alexwild

I read a bit, and part of his point (I think) was there are a lot of mutagenic processes that aren’t random, such as target-site biases for transposable element insertion.

But as @alexwild mentioned, I think he’s mischaracterizing what most of the field means by “random”

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