Codeberg,
@Codeberg@social.anoxinon.de avatar

Anyone considering how to break the already? Any alternative work in progress?

julian,
@julian@community.nodebb.org avatar

@Codeberg @maegul @drewdevault I'd argue that a forum with Q&A functionality is already most of what SO is.

So NodeBB can do that with the Q&A plugin, and we're moving towards federation.

blaise,
@blaise@hachyderm.io avatar

@Codeberg
#Discourse is really sweet to host and it has a vast plugin community.
https://www.discourse.org/plugins

And themes to control what fields to expose
https://meta.discourse.org/c/theme/61

Fwiw, some of the discourse devs were in the original stack overflow team.

unfa,
@unfa@mastodon.social avatar

@Codeberg If anybody is attempting to - please design a system that doesn't reward egomaniac abusive moderators :P

WerySkok,
@WerySkok@mastodon.ml avatar

@Codeberg I'm not sure that a decentralized knowledge base is a good idea. It should look more like Wikipedia — run by a nonprofit organization, on open source software, allowing exporting dumps

Sibshops,
@Sibshops@mastodon.online avatar

@Codeberg I'm not sure if a federated alternative would gain traction. Ever since chatGPT, I haven't really found a need to use stackoverflow.

unfa,
@unfa@mastodon.social avatar

@Sibshops @Codeberg Yeah, LLMs are a bit different than Stack Overflow. Sure, they don't insult you for asking questions, but they can't refuse to answer, so will happily give you nonsense if they have no idea. Not entirely unlike some people... ;)

Sibshops,
@Sibshops@mastodon.online avatar

@unfa @Codeberg
Yeah, I know they give nonsense sometimes. The nice thing about using it to code is you can easily check their nonsense to see if it is right.

A lot of times you can tell them that this is nonsense and how to fix it and they will.

LLM's have not been very helpful with visual things like CSS or asking them to create an SVG. But with backend code they are pretty good.

Codeberg,
@Codeberg@social.anoxinon.de avatar

@Sibshops We asked about a knowledge base. LLMs will never replace this, because they can only reproduce, not answer new questions. They can be your resource intensive search feature for a knowledge base, but that's not what we are interested in.

drewdevault,
@drewdevault@fosstodon.org avatar

@Codeberg passing note: SO Q&As are CC and they offer database dumps

Deus,
@Deus@charcha.cc avatar

@Codeberg Viewing it as another type of social network, "...building the software is the easy part. Building a community around the Social Network software is hard - very hard."

tauli,
@tauli@chaos.social avatar

@Codeberg being federated in the way mastodon is, would make it hard to search.

18+ Codeberg,
@Codeberg@social.anoxinon.de avatar

@tauli A problem that is probably not impossible to solve.

Without wanting to go into details here, because there are probably smarter minds involved with federation who could come up with a better strategy, this is a simple idea to approach this:

  • instances are often specific to topics, e.g. space, biology etc, similar to how the StackExchange network already works.
18+ Codeberg,
@Codeberg@social.anoxinon.de avatar

@tauli Instances with related topics could follow each other to also search their index (or replicate the remote content in a local search index) to provide useful results from other instances.

This allows to keep the overall index small enough, because you don't have to index everything but only instances relevant to your's focus.

18+ naught101,
@naught101@mastodon.social avatar

@Codeberg @tauli

Not just topics, but related questions. That feature of SO is extremely useful when you initially find questions that are almost, but not quite your question. That would be fairly easy to add to a federated system.

smallcircles,
@smallcircles@social.coop avatar

@naught101 @Codeberg @tauli

It occurs to me that while #LinkedData is a fairly bad choice as the extensibility mechanism for #ActivityPub protocol, it should be in theory a rather good choice for the knowledge network and navigation thereof, of the content aggregating into the various federated SO instances.

TBL once asked about using #SolidProject to create a #FAQ and I suggested adding federation to the mix:

https://forum.solidproject.org/t/ideas-for-a-possible-faq-solid-app/4627

Nowadays also @skohub comes to mind here.. 🤔

samuel_p,
@samuel_p@social.sp-codes.de avatar

@Codeberg I'm only aware of https://www.codidact.org but I dont think it is federated. At least it's open source.

ProfessorCode,
@ProfessorCode@fosstodon.org avatar

@samuel_p @Codeberg Just to be clear, Reddit also started out as an open source project and later became proprietary.

It's a good reminder that being open source isn't necessarily a guarantee something will stay that way.

BaumiCoder,
@BaumiCoder@social.anoxinon.de avatar

@Codeberg Maybe could be one, although it is more famous as a Reddit alternative. I am not very familiar with it.

YurkshireLad,
@YurkshireLad@mastodon.social avatar

@BaumiCoder @Codeberg Lemmy is an alternative to Reddit, not StackOverflow. Two completely different entities.

I'm not aware of a federate alternative to StackOverflow. I think there was an open source equivalent a few years ago, but I can't remember its name.

maegul,
@maegul@hachyderm.io avatar

@YurkshireLad @BaumiCoder @Codeberg

Well the Reddit alternatives would likely be a good place to start. There arguably isn’t too much to add or modify to get started on a working substitute.

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18+ evil_puniko,
@evil_puniko@mk.absturztau.be avatar

@Codeberg you can just use the forgejo issues feature 👍

18+ Codeberg,
@Codeberg@social.anoxinon.de avatar

@evil_puniko The problem is to build a knowledge base. The amount of useful data StackOverflow accumulated in their realm is a major vendor lock in.

Any serious alternative would need to go through a long way to fill its database to become useful.

It's likely that a federated alternative would make it much easier to succeed here.

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