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captainlezbian, to techtakes in “We couldn’t find enough people for our Ponzi scheme, bye”

Ah yes, embedded marketplaces are what the mainstream gaming community clamors for

baguettefish, to techtakes in “We couldn’t find enough people for our Ponzi scheme, bye”

embedded marketplaces, user-friendly wallets and seamless NFT purchases all essential to attracting a mainstream gaming audience

i happen to think that a gaming audience actually might want a good game, but who i am to judge when the people responsible for the game are crypto bros

pikesley,
@pikesley@mastodon.me.uk avatar

@baguettefish @swlabr To be fair, you have to have a very high IQ to understand NFT games

LoamImprovement,

Me, a bigly IQ individual: “These games kind of look like dogshit.”

qaz,

It’s a hard demographic, people who are able to comprehend your incredibly overcomplicated gaming platform while also not spotting how pointless it all is.

Soyweiser, to sneerclub in Maybe the real unaligned super intelligence were the corporations we made along the way 🥺

Cstross was right! You tell everybody. Listen to me. You’ve gotta tell them! AGI is corporations! We’ve gotta stop them somehow!

Soyweiser,

(Before I get arrested for anti-corporate terrorism, this was a joke about soylent green).

sinedpick, to sneerclub in Maybe the real unaligned super intelligence were the corporations we made along the way 🥺

This is like trying to install airbags on a car that can barely break 5 km/h.

casmael,

Cool analogy, but I think you’re overestimating OpenAI. Isn’t it more like installing airbags on a little tikes bubble car and then getting a couple of guys to smash it into a wall real fast to ‘check it out bro’

bleistift2, to sneerclub in Maybe the real unaligned super intelligence were the corporations we made along the way 🥺

AI alignment research aims to steer AI systems toward a person’s or group’s intended goals, preferences, and ethical principles.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AI_alignment

kamenlady,
@kamenlady@lemmy.world avatar

Misaligned AI systems can malfunction and cause harm. AI systems may find loopholes that allow them to accomplish their proxy goals efficiently but in unintended, sometimes harmful, ways (reward hacking).

They may also develop unwanted instrumental strategies, such as seeking power or survival because such strategies help them achieve their final given goals. Furthermore, they may develop undesirable emergent goals that may be hard to detect before the system is deployed and encounters new situations and data distributions.

Today, these problems affect existing commercial systems such as language models, robots, autonomous vehicles, and social media recommendation engines.

The last paragraph drives home the urgency of maybe devoting more than just 20% of their capacity for solving this.

schmorpel,

They already had all these problems with humans. Look, I didn’t need a robot to do my art, writing and research. Especially not when the only jobs available now are in making stupid robot artists, writers and researchers behave less stupidly.

Zagorath,
@Zagorath@aussie.zone avatar

I genuinely think the alignment problem is a really interesting philosophical question worthy of study.

It’s just not a very practically useful one when real-world AI is so very, very far from any meaningful AGI.

Soyweiser,

One of the problems with the ‘alignment problem’ is that one group doesn’t care about a large part of the possible alignment problems and only cares about theoretical extinction level events and not about already occurring bias, and other issues. This also causes massive amounts of critihype.

dgerard,
@dgerard@awful.systems avatar

you can tell at a glance which subculture wrote this, and filled the references with preprints and conference proceedings

BaroqueInMind,

I cannot, please elaborate.

dgerard,
@dgerard@awful.systems avatar

the lesswrong rationalists

TropicalDingdong, to sneerclub in Maybe the real unaligned super intelligence were the corporations we made along the way 🥺

Show me you can solve the alignment issue with a 2.5 year old first.

FermiEstimate, to sneerclub in Maybe the real unaligned super intelligence were the corporations we made along the way 🥺

OpenAI: “Our AI is so powerful it’s an existential threat to humanity if we don’t solve the alignment issue!”

Also OpenAI: “We can devote maybe 20% of our resources to solving this, tops. We need the rest for parlor tricks and cluttering search results.”

BigMuffin69, to sneerclub in Maybe the real unaligned super intelligence were the corporations we made along the way 🥺
@BigMuffin69@awful.systems avatar
gerikson, to sneerclub in Nick Bostrom irked that Oxford University expected his institute to produce work that was of a standard appropriate to its position in their philosophy department
@gerikson@awful.systems avatar

Surprised they didn’t just do the agile thing and seek direct financial support from Peter Thiel.

titotal,

Oxford instituted a fundraising freeze. They knew the org could have gotten oodles funding from any number of strange tech people, they disliked it so much they didn’t care.

gerikson,
@gerikson@awful.systems avatar

I mean they could have cut ties entirely with Oxford.

YouKnowWhoTheFuckIAM,
@YouKnowWhoTheFuckIAM@awful.systems avatar

I wonder how much they disliked it and how much they felt it was just using the Oxford brand and cheapening it. Only a slight but a qualitative difference. You can pump out all the awful shit you want at Oxford, but cheapen the brand with the increasingly zany antics of your dorky club and they might at least look twice.

AllNewTypeFace,
@AllNewTypeFace@leminal.space avatar

Has Oxford gone after the Scientologists calling their personality quiz the “Oxford Capacity Assessment” or something similar?

o7___o7,
@o7___o7@awful.systems avatar

That’s named after Oxford, MS, wink wink

YouKnowWhoTheFuckIAM,
@YouKnowWhoTheFuckIAM@awful.systems avatar

I would guess that their personal reach over the name is pretty limited by a number of factors, including that the town itself has quite a significant similar claim itself. “Oxford Brookes” university, for example, is not a part of Oxford the Ancient University, but it certainly helps their brand to be next door (and as far as I know it’s a perfectly fine institution as far as these things go).

The issue with the Future of Humanity Institute would be almost the other way around: that as long as it’s in-house, the university can hardly dissociate themselves from it.

dgerard,
@dgerard@awful.systems avatar

formerly Oxford Polytechnic, then universitised in 1992

maol,

In Cambridge, https://commons.m.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Cambridge_railway_station_sign,_England_-_IMG_0598.JPG

jlow, to sneerclub in Nick Bostrom irked that Oxford University expected his institute to produce work that was of a standard appropriate to its position in their philosophy department

Philisophers have kafkaesque bureaucracy? Weird.

YouKnowWhoTheFuckIAM,
@YouKnowWhoTheFuckIAM@awful.systems avatar

Yes, but that’s not relevant here

mawhrin,
@mawhrin@awful.systems avatar

two things: one, limited bureaucracy is not only good, it’s required for an institution to thrive. second, we only have bostrom’s word on the reasons, and i wouldn’t trust the motherfucker even with grating cheese (that is other colour than white).

noride, to lemmydrama in Kagi search engine, mod censorship, fun stuff

Did I accidentally make ‘totally hinged’ a thing?

homesweethomeMrL,

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morrowind, to lemmydrama in Kagi search engine, mod censorship, fun stuff
@morrowind@lemmy.ml avatar

The event is worth discussing, but the mod’s clear one sidedness and trigger happiness makes it clear that that is not the place to do it

PP_BOY_, to lemmydrama in Kagi search engine, mod censorship, fun stuff
@PP_BOY_@lemmy.world avatar

Lol glad I wasn’t alone. Mod banned me too, BTWhttps://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/bf30b032-9aaa-4fff-9f8f-d2d47041dbd3.jpeg

NOT_RICK,
@NOT_RICK@lemmy.world avatar

Was planning on it. Your mom says she’s still sore from last time I creampied her with my gigantic, thick, juicy cock. So looks like it’s just me and Pamela Handerson until your sister gets back in town, L.O.L.

This you?

southsamurai,
@southsamurai@sh.itjust.works avatar

I remember snorting at that one :)

PP_BOY_,
@PP_BOY_@lemmy.world avatar

Yeah dude. Give me a childish reply to my serious comment and I’ll match your energy. Here’s the full exchange (my top comment was removed before my reply). And L.O.L. stands for “lots of love,” I was trying to extend an olive branch and settle our differences before the OP banned me :/

https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/f0749bc4-4ad1-4ea9-a611-5621e99fe974.jpeg

NOT_RICK, (edited )
@NOT_RICK@lemmy.world avatar

Fair enough, their response to your difference in opinion is childish.

mozz,
@mozz@mbin.grits.dev avatar

Yeah, is bullshit

PP_BOY_,
@PP_BOY_@lemmy.world avatar

Fediverse/alttech users are some of the most thin-skinned people around. Square that with them being a forum mod and you’ve got a power trip of near-infinite potential.

homesweethomeMrL,

I think they’re just done playing with trolls, and are erring on the opposite side now. Which, makes sense if they’ve been through enough on that other site. Especially in a fediverse of near-infinite community options, who cares. Sure, ban away.

MrGG, to lemmydrama in Kagi search engine, mod censorship, fun stuff

That thread is fucking bizarro, and is itself unhinged.

The CEO seemed fairly reasonable to me (if someone were bashing my company on their blog I’d like a chance for rebuttal), though they did ignore the “please stop emailing me” request.

It almost feels like everyone involved from the blog post to the thread comments are in the middle of a manic episode. What in the heck is going on?

If anything I bet this results in a net subscriber gain for Kagi.

mozz,
@mozz@mbin.grits.dev avatar

I mean, the CEO's response seems a little over the top, unless you bear in mind that this is his livelihood.

Everyone's within their rights to say whatever they want about whatever private company, whether it's accurate or not, of course. But imagine that someone made a post at your workplace that was filled with things that weren't true about what you were doing in your job performance, and then you reached out to them to say "yo what's up with this" and they refused to talk with you about it. Given the context, I think the CEO's response is perfectly sane and that response of, no I'm not interested in talking with you on any level get away from me, is totally irresponsible and unreasonable.

If anything I bet this results in a net subscriber gain for Kagi.

I tend to agree

themoonisacheese,
@themoonisacheese@sh.itjust.works avatar

The response of “I’m not debating this with you” is sane. You don’t owe that to anyone. However, I still see the ceo’s point in that he thinks his product is good, and he worked hard on it, so he’s going to defend this. Imo he should’ve just let the guy be after he told him to not contact me again, but the linked thread seems insane to me.

mozz, (edited )
@mozz@mbin.grits.dev avatar

The response of "I'm not debating this with you" is sane.

Not really. Or, not reasonable or responsible, I would say.

Not wanting to have a public debate about it sounds fine. Hearing the CEO out and then saying "I'm sorry but it sounds like we're just not on the same page on this and talking more is not productive" sounds fine.

Deciding to make statements in a public forum that could materially impact someone's livelihood, and not being at all open on any level to someone who wants to tell you hey I think some of these statements are just factually wrong and this person you're convinced is a bad person and are publicly saying is a bad person, is not actually a bad person, that seems like middle-school levels of weird and hostile and self-centered.

Imo he should've just let the guy be after he told him to not contact me again

Yeah. In my armchair mode, I feel like at that point you should back off and maybe make a short public response like "Hey I saw this and tried to reach out privately, not to get into a big back-and-forth but here's why I think most of this is a misunderstanding of what we're about. (point a, b, c) Happy to talk more if you change your mind."

themoonisacheese,
@themoonisacheese@sh.itjust.works avatar

Yeah you’re right. I think the original author is also trying to hide behind the fact his post didn’t get traction to make this “actually this was quite private” when it wasn’t.

Riven,

I’m not defending anyone here but if consent is not given it’s a full stop. If ands or buts don’t matter if there isn’t consent. The moment the person replied via email that they weren’t interested that was a clear no. What the ceo should have done is just make a public statement on their socials as is their right and not continue to privately message the person.

Again I’m not on anyone’s sides, it’s just a consent issue for me.

Pra,

Why am I forced to listen to the owner of a company ramble off selling points of his product if I don’t want to? If I say fuck Nintendo they’re a shit company do I have to listen to Gary Bowser list off every Nintendo game that sold over a million copies?

The person who posted the thread did so on mastodon, to their 1200 followers, who maybe half of them even saw it and then another half of that even engaged with it. That is not going to materially impact anyone.

mozz,
@mozz@mbin.grits.dev avatar

It wasn't selling points though, it was specific rebuttals to specific things that someone had said about his company in public.

It should cut both ways. If you want to publicly say "hey this is what I think of company X," people with company X should be able to say "hey what you said is bullshit, and now that you started the conversation I'm going to explain why, whether or not you feel like the conversation needs to continue after your side and only your side has been expressed." I mean, the CEO was way more polite about it than that for understandable reasons, but I think some level of that frustration is probably behind him wanting to be able to explain himself even after she said she wasn't interested.

Such is my opinion at least. As long as nobody's getting sued or silenced or harassed at length beyond a few emails, he who opens the slinging of ideas that aren't friendly, should be prepared for responses to their ideas to come back at them that might not be friendly. This whole "free speech for me but then shut the fuck up and don't tell me anything back about what I said" seems unfair. At least, in my opinion.

Soyweiser, to sneerclub in When someone drops "immersion" when talking about VR

What does this have to do with peoples desire to sleep with their mother(s) (That is Freud right? Right?)

YouKnowWhoTheFuckIAM,
@YouKnowWhoTheFuckIAM@awful.systems avatar

Sure!

Shitgenstein1,

No, it’s Ben Kingsley.

jonhendry,

It’s clearly Malcolm McDowell

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