Not that AI should be treated with the same rights and dignity a person, but is this not a sort of double standard? I mean, do they publish games with art made by humans who learned from works the human artists did not own?
Yeah, algorithmically copying one's style with out permission isn't the same thing as a human mirroring art. It's not a skill.
You can create art with AI for sure but it's nothing but a tool (at least for now). And it's unethical to use art without permission in this context where it literally algorithmically copies the material.
Yeah, and I try to do the same with AI-assisted art, using custom workflows involving 3D scenes or 2D drawings and custom trained checkpoints… but this won’t matter in most situations, it still gets rejected for involving any AI.
I think I'm starting to understand... If I go to an art gallery that allows photos, take some photos, and share them with a friend who is learning to be an artist, that seems to be generally ok and does not feel unethical. But if I take those photos to an underground sweatshop and use it to train a thousand people who are mass producing art for corporate use, that seems wrong.
If I think of the AI as a human analog, then I have trouble seeing the problem with it learning from the same resources as humans, but if I see it as a factory then I see the problem.
And that's why the companies behind these algorithms are so intent on selling the lie that it's "revolutionary human-like artificial intelligence" and not just a plagiarism algorithm regurgitating a mashup of the work it was fed.
Some of the AI generated upscaling has been fantastic, especially some of the generative images that I've seen for game assets (such as dynamically creating rusty metal or overgrown bushes).
It's a bit of a minefield right now but that type of improvement definitely has a place in game dev, especially when the demand on indie devs gets higher each year.
yeah video games is something Im really excited to have ai in. Im actually hoping old games can refactor to a newer engine with a small enough team to be worth it.
It just seems Valve wants to avoid the legal minefield that is AI art, so the stance they take is just not allowing such things until there is legal precedent and with the advancing field I imagine something will occur within the next 5-10 years (if not in the next year or so). We can question the ethics of AI art and the commercialization of it but things do get a bit murky when we try to shove AI art/AI generative tools into a singular box. It would be like I insinuate that a selfie portrait is in any way comparable to a higher forms of photography like the "Saigon Execution", it would be downright insulting to have a photo that embodied many people's feelings of the Vietnam war in such a macabre photo to someone doing fucking duck lips at a black mirror for updoots or what the fuck ever people do selfies for. It seems rather unrealistic to say the process of using generative AI poisons the well (even though some argue it should) but where do we draw the line, doing touch up or drawing over it in a photo manipulation software does that make its own original work now? Like said don't know until there is legal precedent.
Yeah, given the shit that they allow on their platforms that is barely or not at all working asset flips, the only reason they're doing this is the legal risk.
There's been a few subs knocked out by Reddit giving the mod roles to a greedy powermod. Some "regular" mods are becoming powermods by playing nice with the admins and requesting huge subreddits.
Reddit isn't bluffing when they say "Open up or we will make you." Some teams are reporting less than 24 hours passing between them getting the "admins are knocking on your door" message and the mod team being removed and replaced with a powermod that moderates 100 other subreddits.
It's becoming obvious that you will be opened, like it or not. If mods want to continue to protest, they need to start doing malicious compliance. Subs are looking closely at Reddit's rules and following them to the letter.
Did you know Reddit considers heavy profanity to be NSFW? So you could mark your community as NSFW and use AutoMod to ensure that every post has a curse word in the title. Then since your community is obviously NSFW Reddit can't advertise on it, because ads don't run on NSFW subs.
Other mods are avoiding this approach in fears that Reddit will just ban NSFW entirely. Those are the John Oliver subs. Reddit says "it can't be a surprise what the sub is about" but clearly there's leeway because /r/trees isn't about trees and /r/marijuanaenthusiasts isn't about marijuana enthusiasts. Hence "only pictures of John Oliver"; if Reddit comes after that then they'd logically be banning /r/trees, /r/anime_titties, /r/196, etc. as well.
Reddit says that it's a democracy (it isn't, admins will always be dictators), and that users should decide the direction of the subreddit. Hence posts asking the users for their input. And of course they're only listening to the demands of the users, after all...
The only way to damage Reddit is from inside Reddit. Make Reddit a miserable experience. They're following all the rules! But it's not a good place to be. Then promote communities elsewhere (also perfectly within the rules) to push people off of Reddit and onto other sites.
And they're just doing exactly what the admins asked them to do, after all.
Yep. Doing "The_Donald" approach is the best way to trigger the death spiral, by making the content so annoying and shitty that normal people simply won't care to go on Reddit anymore.
And who is going to mod for them... They don't have nearly enough workforce to do that and if you piss of mods that moderate 50 subs... Well they Stop moderating all of them. Reddit is a dictatorship, but i ask you, what shall they stand on, they cut off their legs.
Seems like sensibly covering their asses given that it's still legally grey (read: noone has brought a significant enough court case) so I wouldn’t be surprised to see more opinions like this start to pop up from various big media hosts.
Steam is constantly having to deal with low-quality asset flip games, I would imagine certain uses of AI would only make that worse. IMO there is nothing wrong with AI as a stepping-off point for a creative work. But I'm sure the greedy/lazy would just have AI wholesale make the finished assets or maybe even code if they could manage it. And who knows what trademarks would be infringed with uncurated AI art?
It takes jobs away? As every progress humankind has made in history.
It copies artists styles? As artist already do. Artists always copy other artists, it's how art work since forever.
It copies other people's code? As coders already do. People copy blobs of code without understanding it all the time.
It produces less quality products? It depends on the people using it as with every other tool. People can produce shitty art and incredibly good art with the same tool, ex: ma paint.
I just don't get it. It reminds me so much to the beginning of digital art and people complaining about it, saying physically made art was the only real art.
As for myself I can't wait for AI to get even better. I have so many ideas about what me, or others could made with it. It's a tool with so much potential to throw it away out of fear.
Artist do that too. Haven't you notice that most popular songs sound very familiar to each other? And I assure you they do not ask for each other permission either. AI may do things faster, automatically and lower the skill requirements for the user but doesn't do anything artists weren't already doing.
The AI Revolution is going to be on the scale of the Agrarian and Industrial Revolutions in terms of change. People, on a whole, do not like change since it means uncertainty. Uncertainty about their careers as you mentioned, but also uncertainty about our very nature. We all like to think we are special, unique, and the pinnacle of life. If a computer can not only do what we do, but faster and better, than what does that make us?
That is why people are so adamant in trying to say AI cannot create art. Art is the one thing humans have over all other known forms of life and if we lose that... like I said: what does that make us?
Valve likely doesn't want to deal with the inevitable legal drama when the devs of said AI decide they should be the copyright holders of all derivative works
I really hope that lawmakers and AI companies can clear this up soon, because I think AI art could be a massive thing for gaming. In particular by generating small variances so that the world doesn't feel so copy paste.
For example, consider a map with a large office building (like in the game Control). There's so many assets needed to avoid feeling copy paste. You'll notice if the game reuses the contents of whiteboards, which isn't realistic. In real offices, we can expect every single whiteboard will likely have different contents (with the exception of blank ones). They probably will have lots in common, but they wouldn't be exactly the same. A human creating dozens of hundreds of unique whiteboards isn't a very good use of time, especially if we're talking about one of many minor assets that aren't even meant to be paid close attention to. An AI, on the other hand, could generate the many variations we'd expect to see. We can even have a human design a couple and ask the AI to make similar ones.
This isn't even all that new. We've had procedural generation (which is not AI) of stuff like height maps and trees for ages now. But we're finally able to generate entire textures (and perhaps eventually entire 3D models) very easily and while fitting into a specific theme.
Finally, for indie games, developing art can be a major challenge. There's countless programmers who want to make games and are good programmers, but they're not good artists. AI generated art could help make being a one person dev more viable. And even when the dev is an artist, it could simply save them a lot of time on what's a very time consuming part of game dev. eg, AI would be good at generating the profile pictures of characters that RPGs often show during dialogue.
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