wtfhappenedin1971.com

leadore, to aboringdystopia in WTF Happened In 1971?
leadore avatar

Propaganda site. You are supposed to superficially read the graphs' titles and notice the big arrow, then uncritically accept the narrative that something happened around 1971.

When you see a personal blog site or social media post with a graph or graphs on it, stop and think.
First, are these real and accurate graphs? What is their source? Look up the same info on reputable sites that track these numbers to verify.
Second, notice attempts to manipulate. All those big arrows pointing to 1971 as if they mean something. In most cases there isn't even an inflection point or other notable feature of the data at 1971, but the arrow makes you think there is if you don't look closely.

edit to add: if you start looking up graphs of things like wages vs productivity and wages compared between income groups, you'll find that things started going to hell during the Reagan era, when Reagan and Thatcher devastated the economy by slashing income taxes on the wealthy and corporations, deregulated industry, and busted the unions, and more.

jkrtn,

I wouldn’t mind seeing a Reagan arrow on these graphs.

amio, to aboringdystopia in WTF Happened In 1971?

This doesn't explain shit. It tosses a bunch of graphs at you with the feeling of someone suggestively waggling their eyebrows. Some of the graphs have completely valid points. Some are of unclear relevance. Most of all, the page busily works to correlate all these in your mind while carefully not actually arguing anything. That should basically always make you thoroughly fucking suspicious - no matter what the message is.

Maybe the site is completely right about whatever its carefully-only-implied point is: that's the beauty of not really taking a clear stance at all, but just throwing information at people that is likely to allow them to extrapolate whatever you want them to. You also don't have to do pesky things like providing citations, justifying your reasoning, or even explaining what that reasoning is.

I would absolutely recommend against using this as a teaching tool. It could (generously...) be used as a reference for yourself, sure, if you can otherwise back up the implied connections in a way this site did not even try. The fact that its implied point, "wealth hoarding bad" (I assume) is a fairly good one, does not mean this is a good way of communicating it.

Blue_Morpho, to aboringdystopia in WTF Happened In 1971?

While there is no doubt that the Nixon shock and gold standard had huge effects in 1971, that website pushes a goldbug agenda that isn’t supported by other sources.

For example the labor productivity gap didn’t start until after 1979. Which is no surprise given that 1980 was the start of Reagan pushing his trickle down economics.

www.epi.org/productivity-pay-gap/

oo1,

yeah, Bretton-Woods - was so much more about a broader scope of bank regulation - to try control and stabilise investment and capital creation for the good of domestic businesses (ideally small businesses) across all international members of B-W.

Throwing all that regulation away - essentially led to over-concentration of unregulated financial power with little to no incentive (or requirement) for them to work in the domestic interests - all the great stuff that comes from that (and it really is great - for some people).
Couple that with the small govt-ism that came in in the late 70s and there's not even a state investment sector to prop up growth during recessions.

Its one of those things where they experiment with something really important and before it's even been tested for long enough, they whip out the safety net.
"We won't need that anyway once the banks are deregulated - they'll fly in and catch us when we fall - they're very fine people ." At least they'll catch us for long enough to sort out foreclosure/eviction and make sure borrowers take all the risk of asset price movement.

Pretty much jack-all to do with gold - that was done with in the 20s pretty much in all but name.

arin, to aboringdystopia in WTF Happened In 1971?

At the end it’s the big rise in seed oil consumption… Interesting, also WTF the insane rise in health admin staff

rc_buggy,

HMOs

The bane of actual healthcare brought to you by Nixon and his buddy Kaiser

shortwavesurfer, to aboringdystopia in WTF Happened In 1971?

Nixon depagged the dollar from gold and ruined the United States for ever more.

Blue_Morpho,

China is #1 and Russia is #3 in global gold production.

Could you imagine the US being able to support Taiwan and Ukraine if China and Russia had complete control of the US monetary supply?

shortwavesurfer,

The US doesn’t need to be supporting Taiwan, Ukraine. The US needs to be supporting the US. Let Taiwan and Ukraine support themselves.

orrk,

ok there, Mr. Chamberlain, you know what happened to every isolationist nation throughout history… right?

Blue_Morpho,

Supporting Ukraine is supporting the US.

And even if the US wasn’t involved, China and Russia, by controlling the gold supply, would still have complete control over the US economy.

gedaliyah, to aboringdystopia in WTF Happened In 1971?
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This site reads like a creepy Ayn Rand fesish tribute page:

As mentioned previously, railroads were the first large scale industry. The railroad revolution brought with it tremendous improvements in standard of living and a fall in the cost of transportation of goods and people. However, as is the case with most revolutions of industry, the government intervened heavily with subsidy and regulation.

Some railroads (for example The Great Northern) were indeed built in this Libertarian fashion, as purely free market enterprises which competed on the marketplace of transportation (coincidentally these were usually the few that did not go bankrupt) and productive land ownership.

TempermentalAnomaly,

It’s weirder than that. The website owner is sharing his paraphrasing of a book by Murray Rothbard. He is the man who coined anarcho-capitalism, protege of von Mises, a Jewish immigrant who organized a group st Columbia to show support for Strom Thurman, mocked by The National Review for his old world isolationist beliefs, called Hayek a liberal, and inspiration to Pat Buchannon, David Duke, and Ron Paul. This does a great job of breaking down who he was and his relevance to the current Trump moment. He was a self-declared paleo-libertarian.

Krono, to aboringdystopia in WTF Happened In 1971?

Leftists: its deregulation and reagan and the destruction of labor unions and forever wars and wall street and the death of manufacturing and and and

Libertarians: “GOLD!”

jkrtn,

I’m kinda tired of seeing this fucking website being passed around. Several of those rocketing charts begin their launch sequence in the 80s. Must be the gold! Regulations are bad!

AA5B,

Did you get a load of those interest rates …. In 3000BC?

Linkerbaan,
@Linkerbaan@lemmy.world avatar

No it’s gold. Money printer goes brr is the root cause of almost all deregulation problems.

3volver,

Porque no los dos?

jkrtn,

Libertarians cannot handle the cognitive load of multiple contributing factors, otherwise they wouldn’t be libertarians.

orrk,

I had a libertarian try to explain how a corporation couldn’t be evil because fire exists, needless to say, he never got the whole part about an idea not being the same as a rock

jkrtn,

It is so stupid. I wish they would get a clue.

Simulation6, to collapse in WTF Happened In 1971?

Computers?

callouscomic, to aboringdystopia in WTF Happened In 1971?

The divergence of productivity and wages coincides with a lot of things, like the rise of the service industry, and tons of deregulation and lower taxes over those decades.

grue, to aboringdystopia in WTF Happened In 1971?

Something indeed happened to cause the decoupling of wages and productivity, but dropping the gold standard (like that site would have you believe) ain’t it.

mozz, (edited ) to collapse in WTF Happened In 1971?
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I have a theory which I just came by recently which I think makes a lot of sense:

In the 1968 Democratic convention, a good number of the rank and file of the left wing of the American politics got attacked by the police, beaten, gassed, thrown in jail, sent to the hospital, or otherwise told in direct physical terms that their "allies" within the establishment weren't their friends. Before 1968, you could explain it away as one corrupt police force or local suburban society being the enemy, but maybe change was possible within the system at some level. After 1968, it was explicit: Not only are we not going to work for your goals, we might try to kill you if you try to work for your goals. Now please support us in the election, please.

It would be surprising if that led to anything other than a massive collapse in support for Democrats within the approved electoral system. It would be surprising if that led to anything other than a huge upwelling of momentum and success for the explicitly-fascist wing of American politics, that let them finally take action on their awful longstanding goals after they'd spent decade on decade losing ground.

And look, both of those things are exactly what happened. It took until 2008 until a Democratic president not named Carter held office and did anything even vaguely left-wing -- 40 years. The corporate-death project made quite a lot of progress during those unrestrained 36 years.

I have no idea if the cause and effect worked the way I describe. But it would make sense to me if it did.

HubertManne, to aboringdystopia in WTF Happened In 1971?
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year of my birth. still I was born such that I got a glimpse of decent days even if I did not exactly experience them myselves. still initially the fall was slow enough that I got to sorta experience close. My big mistake was to much school when I should have been working asap since it keeps getting worse.

Sims, to collapse in WTF Happened In 1971?

Blah blah blah, just dimwitted libertarian propaganda. Who da F**k quotes the Capitalist priest Hayek for anything in 2024 !? What a complete and utter idiot doing this site…

Oh, and someone please remind these dimwitted market fanatic believers that Capitalism, Hayek and all the other fanatics are the CAUSE of our current collapse and 99.99% of all problems we have on any scale…

lemmyreader, to collapse in WTF Happened In 1971?

When I saw the title WTF Happened In 1971? I thought of January 1st, 1970 the well-known and recurring date in the computer world,(Ken Thompson, UNIX and so on). And I kinda hoped this would be about how the mass production of computers and its use worldwide had introduced the first step of a collapse of planet Earth. But no, looking at the HN comments it appears to be about Nixon, money, economy and the USA.

davel,
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It’s a libertarian crypto nonsense site.

Beetle_O_Rourke, (edited ) to collapse in WTF Happened In 1971?
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