Kinda wild, especially since they leave other Americans to rot in foreign prisons. I highly doubt they'd actually do it though, and if they do I hope the EU shoots those troops out of the sky if they really dare to take hostile action. I think it's just stupid strongmen policy to appear tough.
I’d say the US will definitely cease its aggression when the first French nuke hits an aircraft carrier, or similar target. The French do commit to warning shots in their first-strike doctrine.
…unlikely to come to that point, though, Europe can stalemate the US by conventional means with the current arms levels, they’d never get boots on the ground. It’s also not like we’d need nukes to sink those carriers. Washington is then welcome to seethe at an ocean’s distance.
France nuking American Aircraft Carriers?!?! At that point there wouldn’t be any need for “boots on the ground” because France would be nothing but glass and smoking craters.
Then don’t threaten France, or its vital interests (which definitely include the Netherlands) with invasion. Simple as that. As de Gaulle himself said, you can switch around nationalities yourself:
Within ten years, we shall have the means to kill 80 million Russians. I truly believe that one does not light-heartedly attack people who are able to kill 80 million Russians, even if one can kill 800 million French, that is if there were 800 million French.
France won’t be glass and craters for the precise reason that the US would be glass and craters if they don’t cease their aggression. Ceasing aggression, France will see no need to first strike, crisis averted. Simple as that.
It might come as a surprise for Americans that there’s smaller countries that can’t be bullied around by military force but trust me the French are dead serious about their nuclear first strike doctrine. Which the US is well-advised to also take seriously so that the French won’t need to fire even a warning shot. They’d also prefer not to.
The warning shot, btw, won’t come via ICBM so that it’s clear that it’s not an actual extinction-level attack. The French have cruise missiles specifically for that purpose, until they explode they look like any other cruise missile you’d lobthrow at a carrier.
Oh we’re dumb enough. Trump redrew a hurricane prediction with sharpie on live national television. These are not rational people and that’s always been the downfall of MAD as a theory. It requires rational actors.
The euphemistically named ‘Hague invasion law’ actually only promises to take any action necessary to avoid being held responsible. In real terms though, any military action against Hague will deeply polarize the world and destroy the current world order where the US enjoys some dominance and influence. The resulting scenario will see the US attracting the hostility of a lot of formerly allied nations. It will be worse than being held responsible at the ICC. So you’re kind of safe.
You say that like a significant number of these Republican’s donors would not salivate over being able to fracture the US from world politics like that.
…Russia. I’m talking about Russia, if you’re unaware.
The American Republican party has been trying to break the UN for decades under the theory that our sovereignty allows us to take unilateral action globally and the UN is a threat to that. They sell it domestically as any law we pass because of the UN is an impingement on our freedoms and sovereignty. But it’s pretty blatantly about their foreign policy goals. And when I mean sell it, I mean literally. There are books you can buy where the UN has “invaded” the US after the Democrats let immigration get so bad we lost all civil order and of course it’s 300 pages of militiamen using painstakingly described weapons to fight the UN forces.
We really do have some crazy people and they got organized after we elected our first black president.
These same senators are responsible for spouting tongs of other of nonsense, I wouldn’t take it too seriously and don’t make up the majority of even the insane wing of the GOP. Not saying this is not a threat that, for example, Trump might make if he gets elected but for now I would take this with a grain of salt. They’re just puffing up their chests for their own base here, as usual.
I dunno, it seems to me that if someone starts threatening you over something you’re investigating, you should probably take that as a sign to investigate even harder…
Note that the American domestic fascist party also supports a (foreign) jewish nationalist ethnostate (zionism), despite being the main group promoting antisemitism domestically.
It’s almost like authoritarians and fascists are defined by their authoritarianism and fascism — authoritarians of a feather, genocide together — instead of their religion, race, or ethnicity…
The common factor between their support of Zionism and their domestic antisemitism, is hate. They support Zionism since they hate the Muslims. They’re domestically antisemitic because they hate the Jews. They’re motivated and driven by hate. They are the poison that the civilized world dies on.
I’m sure a lot of it has to do with campaign donations as well. The party is full of hate, but I feel these politicians are just mouthpieces for their donors in their own personal pursuit of power and wealth.
There’s an additional aspect. An interpretation of the end-times prophecy. Some believe (primarily evangelicals) that God promised the Holy Land to the Jewish people, and that reestablishing Israel’s political boundaries will begin the end times. So as much as they may hate the Jews, they must be in power in Israel.
Maybe they don’t, I don’t know. Republicans are kind of unpredictable on that.
I’m not even saying the ICC should judge the case in any particular way, just that a court should be able to go through the process they need in order to make a judgement.
US didn’t “endorse” the ICC arrest warrant of Putin exactly for the same reason. They are not part of ICC, since half of their intelligence members and past presidents could be charged there for war crimes.
I know the US as a nation didn’t, but there were a lot of sentiments from individuals. That said my comment was of course intended to be a bit light hearted and humorous in nature.
What I meant was that if they were signatories to the Rome Statute at the time, actions they committed would quality for war crime charges.
As far as if it’s worth it? I would say yes. It would legitimize US in the global community. Right now everyone knows US is the biggest hypocrite on the world stage.
Eh. “A Majority of <Party> Voters” is not that impressive. According to Gallup’s running poll, Democratic Party affiliation is currently at 28%. A slim majority of a minority is… nice? It needs to be reflected strongly among independents and perhaps the opposite party to be reflected in the general population. For comparison, the majority of Republicans think the 2020 election was stolen. This view is not reflected among the general population.
I actually think a more notable statistic in this poll is the Republicans at 23%. That tells me that reactions to what is happening in Gaza has had a bipartisan effect, which has often not been the case with Israel.
a bipartisan effect, which has often not been the case with Israel.
Unconditional Support for Israel is absolutely bipartisan. It’s one of the few bipartisan issues that all 3 branches of government agree on. The other being unlimited funding for MIC projects.
The only political power you have within America’s political system electoralism is a game of chicken wherein you withhold your vote unless change occurs. If you’re mad at people saying they won’t vote for Biden, I urge you to direct your energy at Biden and the DNC.
There are other avenues to change, but they get your head bashed in by cops, so I’m confident the people tut-tutting about voting will never get involved at that level. Must feel great to ignore the devastating impact of American foreign policy just because it doesn’t happen near you!
Can’t tell if you’re talking about me or about Biden, but I’m not a democrat, so I’ll assume you’re implying that Biden is going to elect Trump and I agree.
The only political power you have within America’s political system
Within electoralism, anyway. It’s not the only power we have, it’s just the only one we’re taught, and the only one in corporate media’s Overton window.
ETA: Thanks to two (now three) red scares, I probably should spell it out for the peanut gallery: Labor power.
He and his party are doing the calculus and figuring that they’ll do better supporting Israel because, frankly, where else are those voters going to go? Trump? He’d nuke Gaza if Netanyahu co-signed a loan for him.
Democratic voters need to vote blue no matter who, and then primary out the corporatist candidates at the earliest opportunity.
This has to be a two-pronged effort: keep the Republicans out of office permanently, and clean the Democratic slate from within.
This is really the only strategy and we’ve seen how incredibly effective it has been as the GOP changes into rabid racists.
But better democrats can’t employ exactly the same strategy as their far right insurgent counterparts, because we’re not racists assholes trying to undermine democracy.
Wasn’t it determined that the primaries are not a democratic vote, but a suggestion the DNC will keep in mind when they ultimately dictate who will run? The real people who choose are super delegates who are insiders who vote to maintain the status quo. So claiming the primaries are the correct venue would not be correct.
Specifically not a primary for president. The statement that primaries are the place to make the party change are false and i consider it maliciously so.
President is just one primary of thousands all across the country. All the fascist laws being passed in red states? That’s being done by Republicans at the state level and the president can’t do can’t do anything about it.
I don’t mind if people protest vote during primary elections - that’s what they’re for. Protest voting in a two party system is shooting yourself in the foot unless you like the other guy running.
No, there’s actually a lot more of us than them. The combination of gerrymandering and 2 senators per state gives them far more representation than they should have, then add in non-conservative voters being much less likely to vote and they end up with minority rule. But it’s not inevitable - if everyone else voted in the same percentages as they do, they wouldn’t have a majority in Congress or be in the White House ever again.
If your solution to a problem is “Everyone should just…” then it’s not a solution. Plus it sounds like not only is the controller disconnected, it’s designed to not work even if it is connected.
Besides, I’m still voting. I’m not going to stop, because it is a helpful illustration of how little it actually can change things. 24 years straight and I still live in a shithole ruled by idiots.
What’s even scarier is those same people seem completely oblivious to the alternative, which is Mr. “Muslim Ban, Shithole Countries, I like Jewish people counting my money, I’d just nuke the whole place” Trump.
Like, your problem is genocide and you’ll basically pave the road for the candidate that explicitly said they’d do a genocide, and whose supporters would cheer him on as the missiles launched, over one that you have some influence over?
Democrat politicians: “Oh no, we only have all of our wealth to protect us from the worst effects of the US falling into a fascist hellscape. Those voters sure showed us!”
Yeah, but the consequences is a second Trump administration if you don’t vote for a Democratic candidate for president, and two to four more years of legislative gridlock if the Republicans aren’t reduced to powerless rump.
Do you want a second Trump administration? Think really hard about that, because the last one vacillated between “Berlusconi-level incompetency” and “Mussolini-level malice”.
The stakes really are to high to “try to teach Biden and the Democrats a lesson”, and it’s not like corporate Democrats really care, because they’d rather lose to a Republican than get primaried by a progressive and stop the gravy train forever, plus they have this weird idea that if they’re “civil” they won’t find themselves lynched during the American Krystallnacht.
The problem with not primaring out corporate Democrats is that American voters…didn’t do it. Not that it didn’t work as a strategy, because replacing corporate Republicans with fascist nutjobs is working out just fine. Maybe progressives, or at least progressive Millenials and Gen-Xers, really are too lazy to affect real change?
I’m sure allowing a manchild narcissist authoritarian insurrectionist to appoint more judges and sell more state secrets will teach Biden and the Dems a big lesson. 1/3 of SCOTUS were installed by an insurrectionist and about 1/2 of the House and Senate are backing an insurrectionist.
Yeah it’s pretty grim. But political parties don’t listen to anything but votes and power. They aren’t benevolent organizations. If they won’t listen to the people who voted for them last time, then voting for them this time just tells them they can ignore you.
So it’s privileged to oppose genocide, cracker? It’s privileged to turn one’s back on murderers who do nothing for us, cracker? It’s suddenly okay to weaponize disorders I’m certain you’ve never studied, because you’re not getting your omnicidal way, cracker? What’s really astonishing is watching you crackers resort to every libel and slander in the book when the actually civilized world won’t go along with your butchering, cracker.
I agree, the Democrats can do literally anything (up to and including supporting genocide) so long as they’re marginally less bad than Republicans and we should support them for this reason. This strategy has no foreseeable consequences and can only make things better in the long run.
Sounds like Democracy is working as expected? The people want the death of American democracy, you should probably ask yourself why you are so keen on supporting it.
In all honesty, it’s not disbelief of facts. This issue really highlights how perspectives completely depend on the news sources consumed. Media bias has become so extreme, that factual reporting comes second to subjective inference.
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