Until 1995, when Israeli PM Rabin was assassinated by a right winger, they were moving towards a two state solution, to the point of the IDF forcibly removing their own Jewish settlements from the lands of the prospective Palestinian state.
After the assassination, Netanyahu became the next PM, and has served in the position for most of the time since, asides most of a decade in the 2000s where other Likud politicians held it. He reversed the policy of settler removal.
Try not to conflate the entire country with the crazy right winger leadership they have currently. The same leadership of strongmen that catastrophically failed to keep them safe back in October, which is the one single thing such a man says he is supposed to be good at.
All that said, I also support Palestinian entry as a UN member state, and am tired of the US unfairly favoring its treaty ally in this case.
It seems contradictory to me to say it has always been pursing genocide, when one of the elected politicians was moving in the other direction for years. A bit selective.
Perhaps we could look at the voter tallys in 1996, where Netanyahu won 1,501,023 to 1,471,566, and the events that were influencing the Israeli public at the time? It certainly doesn’t help when there’s 14 suicide bombings happening in Israel between 1993 and 1995 during the peace process. Being bombed generally does drive people towards militarism.
Regardless of the past, though, Israel is there now. With its nuclear arsenal, it will not be destroyed any time soon unless Iran somehow nukes it off the map through its missile defense. So, negotiation seems necessary.
I’m not sure about this ethnostate claim, when over 20% of Israel’s citizens are of Arabic descent, and are not required to have Jewish heritage or faith. They can vote, own business and have the same legal protections as non-Arab citizens. These are not in Gaza or the West Bank, but living in Israel’s internationally recognized borders.
This idea of a difference between nationality and citizenship is admittedly new to me. Can you provide a citation to a reputable source that explains it in more detail?
Israelis are not alone in using propaganda, so a neutral source, preferably. Or the law itself, I can run it through a translator.
No, there are certainly innocents in Gaza. However, there are also innocents in Israel. You may have chosen your side, but I am not fighting in this war. Frankly, it’s consistently been too difficult to determine the truth.
edit: Actually, that’s not true. I find I do get involved in the information side of the conflict, except I have to consistently fight against both of the sides. It’s very troubling.
If you can find me an unbiased assessment of it, from people that acknowledge Israel’s claims to exist by its 1967 borders and for people of Jewish descent to move to within those 1967 borders if they want, I happily will.
It means I’ll read any information about Israeli Apartheid policies from any Zionist-neutral source. I will, however, be very wary of anti-Zionist sources or pro-Zionist sources, unless the source is being critical of its own position.
I’m not foolish enough to think there’s a side in the war that won’t lie.
I understand it is a high standard, but it’s the same goalpost I had to begin with. I’m neither pro-Israeli, nor pro-Palestinian, I’m just loyal to good factuality as best as I can find it, and I’m loyal to peaceful co-existence and a two-state solution, preferably by the 1967 borders.
That Haaretz article is saddening. I cannot in good faith blame Israel for not giving citizenship to people who do not want it and don’t apply for it, but reading some of the excuses they gave for denying applications is telling.
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You really can’t see how a historical example of widespread political assassinations pertains to an article featuring a political assassination, simply due to the target not being the same people?
If you read the actual article, it mentions a political assassination that did succeed. Regardless, political assassination is political assassination, it is never justified in a society where the law applies to all people, regardless of the target. We need to take a stand against extrajudicial political violence period, unless we want to encourage more chaos and criminality in our societies. People that believe in violence are unlikely to stop at just some violence, that would be inconsistent and irrational.
So, you think some political assassinations are justified, or do you think the article does not have any political assassinations in it? It’s one of the two.
I can make an exception for Hitler during WW2, but outside of that, people should not be simply killing the people they disagree with. That’s how you get Putin’s Russia.
You can try to say I’m whatever you want, I don’t really care. What I’m more concerned about is living in a country with democratic values.
Perhaps it’s being an American, where we have various freedoms, but disagreements should be handled with words and debate. If you cannot beat someone with your words, you don’t deserve to win.
Regarding Putin, unfortunately, that would probably not make anything better. Just more chaos, and the war would continue. There’s plenty more Putins behind him, and whoever offs him is probably not a nice guy.
Fine and dandy. Though simply killing them because you don’t like them makes you just like them. That’s why we hate them after all, they just killed too many people.
It’s not about liking them or not liking them. It’s about killing people without a trial, without fairness, during a time of peace. It does not matter who they are.
No, this is no war, that’s a childish take. Go to Ukraine or Gaza or South Sudan if you want to know war. This is still peacetime, and the law should apply to all people the same. Even Nazis. We have prisons for people that break the law, and we can vote to change our leaders and laws.
You think simply going out and killing them would be the best way to solve the problem? What would stop them from killing us back? There’s more than just a couple of them.
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