Plant milks / vegan milks

chrisyxlee,
skinnylatte,
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@chrisyxlee put a wooden sooon across it!

chrisyxlee,

@skinnylatte 🤦‍♀️ I had a wooden spoon in it for stirring and then washed it way too early without thinking

kas,

:boost_requested:

TL;DR: Does E418 (gellan gum) inhibit lactic acid fermentation of organic soy milk?

/cc @fermentation | @vegan ]

For a couple of a years I have been making my own vegan yoghurt by emptying the contents of two probiotic capsules into a litre of organic soy milk, mixing thouroughly, and then letting the milk sit in a yoghurt maker (or a pressure cooker set on the yoghurt program) for 14 hours. The effective working time is less than 5 minutes, and the result is a wonderfully tangy and creamy plantbased yoghurt. It's one of the easiest things you can make in your kitchen — or so I thought until yesterday:

For my own convenience I used a different brand of soy milk, because I thought that organic soy milk was organic soy milk. However, when the incubation periode was over yesterday, the soy milk was still runny — it didn't seem to have coagulated at all. No problem, I gave it 6 hours more (for a total of 20 hours): still runny, and not the slightest sour. WTF?

To exclude the possibility that I — in a fit of distraction — had taken some other capsules from the fridge than the probiotics, I repeated the procedure with a fresh carton of the same brand of soy milk, making sure that I used the probiotics this time. Same result: after 14 hours of “fermentation” the soy milk was still runny and not tangy at all (the taste was just like lukewarm soy milk and it didn't have even the slightest resemblance to yoghurt).

Both brands (we can call them Coop365 and Spir) of soy milk are of the sweetened type with added vanilla flavour. Coop365 (the one I usually use) is made from 8.5% soy beans and has 3.7 g protein per 100 g. Spir is made from 8% soy beans and has 3.2 g protein per 100 g. Both are organic, and both are sweetened with organic cane sugar. Coop365 has a slightly lower salt content than Spir — 1.2‰ vs 1.8‰ — but in such low concentrations it should not have any effects on lactic acid fermentation.

The only real difference between the two soy milks according to the fact box on the cartons is that while Spir contains E418, also known as gellan gum, Coop365 doesn't. Gellan gum is said to be “inert”, and according to the woodchuck book it is often used in “plant-based milks to keep plant protein suspended in the milk”:

🔗 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gellan_gum#Food_science

Both soy milks coagulate readily when adding a small amount of e.g. lemon juice. According to a page I read yesterday, the curdle point of soy milk is around pH 5.5.

The probiotic capsules that I use contains three different species of lactics: Lactobacillus acidophilus, Bifidobacterium lactis (syn.: B. animalis), and Lactobacillus rhamnosus (syn.: Lacticaseibacillus rhamnosus). All three of them are found/used in dairy products such as fermented milk.

Now my question is simply: Do any of you fedizens have experiential, or otherwise solid, knowledge that E418 is able to inhibit lactic acid fermentation of soy milk as described above? Or, when reading my description, does your experience tell you that “Hey, the Spir didn't ferment because of …!”?

Thanks in advance! 🙏















kas,

PS: I forgot the other thing I wanted to ask you about the E418:

If indeed the is the culprit, what does that say about its impact on our intestinal ? If E418 can somehow inhibit a simple lactic acid fermentation, will it be able to significantly alter the composition of species in our microflora? 🤔

/cc @fermentation | @vegan ]

paelse,
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@kas @fermentation @vegan

Great, thanks!

BenjaminHCCarr,
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The industry is trying to outlaw ” labels—again
The FDA previously found that no one is confused about where comes from, if you didn't realize its from Almonds! Soy milk from Soy, Oat from oats, etc. etc. https://arstechnica.com/health/2023/09/big-dairy-still-sour-over-plant-based-milk-labels-tries-to-outlaw-them/

RickiTarr,
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@fiee @BenjaminHCCarr I really don't care what they call it, it's just funny to me that they think people would get confused.

BenjaminHCCarr,
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@RickiTarr @fiee same.

Don't we have bigger problems to solve than gate keeping the "milk" label on non dairy based products

mikemathia,
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diaeter,
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@mikemathia The milig needs pretty small farmers.

timjclevenger,
FranDowdSofa,

Currently in machine: a blended mix of a tin of , 300 ml , 100 ml dark , 2 large spoons crystallised , 2 large spoons red

FranDowdSofa,

@kjr no, it just gave it a kick. (I do love salty with ice-cream though.) It was very creamy and rich.

kjr,
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@FranDowdSofa now I'm thinking that often I put salty tehina and date syrup on the vanilla ice cream, and the contrast is quite tasty... probably similar.

kjr,

Group/magazin in kbin dedicated to plan milk: preparation, nutritional values, etc.

@plant_milk

You can follow, get the pots of the members and post into the magazin

kjr, Hebrew

קבוצה/מגזין ב-Kbin מוקדש לחלב צמחי: הכנה, ערכים תזונתיים ועוד. קבוצה רק באנגלית כרגע.

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#טבעוני

Homemade flaxseed milk recipe (2 ingredients) (www.alphafoodie.com)

A simple homemade flaxseed milk recipe, packed with nutritional value and health benefits. Flaxseed milk is a delicious dairy-free milk option that requires just two ingredients and comes packed with a whole list of health benefits. It’s an amazingly nutritious plant-based milk, and flaxseed benefits are worth shouting about.

itnewsbot,

The dairy industry is trying to outlaw plant-based “milk” labels—again - Enlarge (credit: Getty | Thomas Trutschel )

In an utterly firm... - https://arstechnica.com/?p=1971754

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