Fundamentally, though, how can it be stopped? The two instance administrators can only see part of what’s happening, and can’t directly determine that the votes are coming from two alts of the same user. Maybe over enough times, the patterns can be guessed at with heuristics, but this kind of vote manipulation is going to be a problem for federated communities. Especially if we don’t get better moderation tools developed.
What’s the mechanism by which an admin would be able to tell if one user voted more than once on the same post? Instance admins can’t see the votes of the accounts on other instances.
Admins can see all votes of users on their instance, as well as all voter’s usernames on a post located in a community that’s on that instance. So if they get suspicious amount of votes from a user on another user’s post, they might consider that vote manipulation and ban either the voter, or poster, or both. (Although, banning a poster for receiving suspicious amount of votes can lead to wrongful ban, since someone could just make random alts to consistently upvote someone they hate in attempt to ban them.)
The admins probably saw suspicious votes and banned those users.
Reddit does have vote manipulation, but reddit admins can easily see much stronger indicators of the same person behind multiple user accounts: Server logs of user agent, IP address, interface/API key, script support and activity that tends to give away browser type and history, etc.
Most of that information is only available to instance admins, so admins of one instance can’t see when external votes are coming in from the same users who already voted using accounts on your instance.
Most of that information is only available to instance admins, so admins of one instance can’t see when external votes are coming in from the same users who already voted using accounts on your instance.
Admins can see how users vote, even external users. So it’s no different from local users on the same instance (which would be how reddit operates). So I don’t see how this is different.
The instance I’m logged into doesn’t forward my user agent, IP address, or CSS/script support (or other fingerprinting techniques) to the other instance. Everything I do in a community hosted on another instance is forwarded through my instance server as a middleman, and I never directly connect to the other instance server.
The admins of an instance (or reddit) might be able to analyze server logs of different users on their own instance to be able to determine those things, but can’t apply that analysis to accounts from other instances, whose interaction with the server doesn’t actually include a login or any direct connections to the server they administer. All they have to go on is the ActivityPub logs, which won’t include that fingerprinting information.
vote manipulation is going to be a problem for federated communities
I guess, but since the feed isn't algorithmically created to maximize engagement (the tools are better than commercially driven sites) I don't think it matters as much. I think of it as a "Who's Line Is It Anyway" condition - everything is made up and the points don't matter. And, tbh, I really like that I can click into a stupid-x story without worrying that I'll be fed stupid-x content for the next week. It's worth a little vote tomfoolery, imho.
So I knew a woman who got divorced and got a big payment and became a drum making shaman who had the demeanor and speech of a valley girl build her artistic shamanic dream home in a destination spot.
The home was hand crafted out of sandbags and barbed wire. It was supposed to take a year but took 7. When it was done it was too hot and too cold and uncomfortable to live in. It was so bad that the building department told her it was a mistake.
She never had any dream catchers around and now that I think about it, one could have probably saved her from that mess.
Sounds like a “rammed earth” home, and it also sounds like it wasn’t done very well. Taking 7 yrs is pretty nuts, as its supposed to be a “rapid” building technique.
The 1ft+ thick walls should keep it pretty even temperature wise. It’s one of its biggest pros, besides being literally dirt cheap.
if theres one comic i wouldnt want this kind of modification to, its this one. watterson is unique in his treatment of this product and i feel it deserves our respect.
Right, but they were the ones comparing a country to a state to begin with, so I compared a country to a country. If you want to compare continents… That’s a different story.
… they are always trying to figure out a way to throw you in jail. They lie. They are lazy. They want to close cases without trying. If they can construe something you told them as a lie, that is a crime they can throw you in jail for. Which they like to do.
Basically, volunteering information to cops without a lawyer advising you is a recipe for fucking up your life, which cops love to do.
So shut the fuck up, and explicitly ask for a lawyer if a cop want to talk to you. It is your right (in the US) to have a lawyer. Take advantage of that. And don’t talk.
I’m lucky enough not to be in a targeted group, so I don’t interact with them, except once for a traffic ticket. But I still wouldn’t ever talk to them because you are risking your life and liberty when you do.
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