EvilLootbox,
@EvilLootbox@lemmy.world avatar

but then what would Spike TV show in the place of Deadliest Warrior?

captainlezbian,

Yeah they were soldiers. Alexander the Great had engineers in his army for a reason. Genghis Kahn would lose his shit over a magnum gun.

Duamerthrax,

Depending on the era, they were rich thugs who could and would slice a homeless person in half for looking at the wrong.

Agent641,

Genghis Khan would love M114 howitzers.

captainlezbian,

Genghis Kahn would love the Toyota hilux. The modern technical is endowed with his spirit of “let’s make the real shit of war more mobile”

vanderbilt,
@vanderbilt@lemmy.world avatar

It’s rather complicated. In the “in-between” times, firearms were considered a coward’s weapon, making the user a “sniper” and thus less honorable than those who used more traditional arms. This faded with time however, as most ideas do.

cumskin_genocide,

Bro American Sniper was a fucking badass film. No politics or anything. Just a guy shooting terrorists.

Ashelyn,

Bro really called “just a guy shooting terrorists” apolitical

SkyezOpen,

This faded with time however

Yeah, because the people that thought that way got fucking shot.

BenFranklinsDick,

Words of wisdom

Swedneck,
@Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

"what’re you going to do, coward? shoot me?"

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Duamerthrax,

Also because they became more accurate and more skill dependent. Early guns were just RNG. That’s why muskets were most useful fired in barrages.

NigelFrobisher,

Longbow was the main battle weapon of samurai. Even after firearms, which they got the peasants to stand in a line and fire volleys just like in the West.

lapislazuli,

FTFY: Longbow was the main battle weapon of the English. Yumi was the main battle weapon of the samurai.

reliv3,

Reading your links, the correction you made seems semantically insignificant. Yumi is the word for “bow” in Japanese and longbows describe bows that are long. Longbows are not unique to the English, and there are a lot of bows that can be described as longbows. So my point is, if samurais used yumis that are long (which some did) then saying they used longbows is not incorrect. Nevertheless, thank you for letting us know what the Japanese called their bows, it was educational.

Paddzr,

As someone who did archery at national level… Your comment is triggering my need to point out how difficult and different “longbows” are.

I couldn’t handle it after years of playing. The term longbow in archery is as calling everything AR15.

Aux,

Well, a lot of rifles are called AK47 even though most of them are not.

ouRKaoS,

According to the media, every gun is either an AR-15 or a Glock.

Milk_Sheikh, (edited )

Web search is failing me for a primary source under the deluge of web/pop culture fascination with katanas, but I swear I’ve read that their primary killing tool in battle was the Yumi bow, usually fired from horseback.

Guns displaced every warrior-caste from multiple different societies; the samurai held on to power through arms control first for swords, then later guns once the colonial powers forced Japan to end its self imposed isolation.

Cypher,

Nobunaga is literally the most successful of the Japanese warlords because he looted a Spanish merchant vessel and obtained guns and powder.

Then he did everything possible to get more.

This narrative that evil Europeans forced them to use guns is absurd.

Milk_Sheikh,

You’re right, that last sentence was ham fisted - I was referring to the gunboat diplomacy opening the trade free for all after decades of isolation, not colonial annexation.

EldritchFeminity,

It’s more that guns were hard to get until the British and Americans forced Japan to open its borders. They were generally imported through the Spanish/Portuguese, or the Dutch after they established trade relations. Even after they started making their own matchlocks, I believe they were only produced in small batches due to the high percentage of impurities in Japan’s iron deposits.

snooggums,
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Bows (or other projectiles) and spears ruled the battlefield in Japan and everywhere else on the planet when combat was primarily hand to hand. Sometimes there were situations where swords or maces and other close in weapons had the advantage, but in general killing someone from a distance with a weapon that could be primarily made of wood and relatively simple is just going to be the most commonky used tool of war.

Romans, known for the gladius short sword, would initially start combat with slings, javelins, and spears. They only switched to swords up close. Same for samurai.

captainlezbian,

Even more than that, while we think of the gladius as their iconic weapon, the only weapon that served for the entire history of the Roman military is the bronze spear, though it eventually became ceremonial.

Swords are flashy and the weapon of a noble in town, as they’re expensive, high skill, and a reasonable sidearm for relative safety. They weren’t replaced in function by the rifle, but by the pistol. This is actually quite similar to the mindset of revolvers in the American west. The primary armament of that period’s conflicts was the lever action rifle, but the revolver was better in town.

Milk_Sheikh,

Don’t forget the Plumbata!

TropicalDingdong,

primarily made of wood and relatively simple

Also, less maintenance/ material required for its creation.

A spear point with a couple of langets is something a blacksmith can knock out by the hour. Good swords take longer and are more technical to make. You break your spear shaft in training? Well tough as, but you can find a suitable replacement and remount it on campaign.

Swedneck,
@Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

a spearhead can also be a dagger in an emergency, which is a nice extra.

AnUnusualRelic,
@AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world avatar

The sword has always been the last option as a weapon. Like a handgun would be today. A spear would always be preferred.

FireTower,
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GrymEdm,
Rebels_Droppin,
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Meatbag

casmael,

Correction, you are a bag of meat

thisbenzingring,

Yojimbo should be required viewing.

cmbabul,

Seven Samurai too, although less central

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