I think I have a different understanding of the word propaganda than how the word was used here, because I’m having a hard time understanding this comment. Could you explain how this video can be described as propaganda?
i think this thread is already trending in a poor in terms of actually, productively discussing this pretty serious event—and, speaking in a moderator capacity, i would also strongly prefer a direct journalistic source on that event to a second-hand source like this youtube video. so, fair warning to all participants: if this thread continues to go poorly i’ll likely remove it and start a fresh thread myself.
The head of a Gaza City hospital that treated some of those wounded in the bloodshed surrounding an aid convoy said Friday that more than 80% had been struck by gunfire, suggesting there had been heavy shooting by Israeli troops.
Dr. Mohammed Salha, the acting director of Al-Awda Hospital, told The Associated Press that 176 wounded were brought to the facility, of whom 142 had suffered gunshot wounds. The other 34 showed injuries from a stampede.
The IDF has claimed they opened fire on the starving crowd in a “limited response” to “protect themselves”
So after starving the Palestinians by disallowing aid for weeks, when these desperate people mob the trucks as any starving people would, Israel forces started killing them. As expected, the starving people panicked and even more death occured. The IDF opened fire on the crowd again after the intail slaughter as well, creating even more panic. This is when the truck drivers fled, fearing for their lives from the Israel barrage, killing more people.
How is “shooting at starving refugees to start a deadly stampede” not Israel’s fault?
Kamel Abu Nahel, who was being treated for a gunshot wound at al-Shifa Hospital, said he and others went to the distribution point in the middle of the night because they heard there would be a delivery of food. “We’ve been eating animal feed for two months,” he told Associated Press.
He said Israeli troops opened fire on the crowd, causing it to scatter, with some people hiding under cars. After the shooting stopped, people went back to the trucks, and the soldiers opened fire again, he said. He was shot in the leg and fell over, and then a truck ran over his leg as it sped off, he said. The head of Kamal Adwan hospital in Gaza City, Hussam Abu Safieyah, said it had received 10 dead bodies and dozens of wounded patients from the incident west of the city. Videos posted on social media showed trucks carrying bodies.
In the same article, Israel claims the aid trucks drove to close to their tanks, and that when rhe desperate, starving people ran to the trucks, they “fired into the air and then fired at anyone who did not back down.”
So even the IDF sanitized “they were coming right at us” defense admits they fired into the frowd of starving refugees.
Bot the person you replied to. You might be right, but…
least obviously unsubstantiated
Better avoid overstatements. That kind of rhetoric on SNS signals a poor debate in the replies to come. And I’m not going to reply to you because I don’t want a poor debate.
This was a crowd of thousands of starving, displaced people, crushed around aid trucks, desperately trying to get food. The IDF, by their own admittance, fired automatic weapons into that crowd. This caused panicked, crushing surges that killed most of the people, that caused the truck drivers to flee, killing more. These were starving people trying to avoid being gunned down by the IDF while they desperately tried to get food.
Crowd crushes are incredibly dangerous in even normal situations. People die at soccer games when crowds panic, at music shows.
We dont know how many starving people they killed directly, but they are 100% culpable for these crowd crush/truck escape deaths that resulted from their direct actions. You dont panic a large crowd, especially a large crowd of desperate people, or you will cause deaths.
Why are you excusing the IDF from firing into a crowd, causing the panic that killed these people?
I am not excusing anybody, I am just tired of the blatant propaganda with zero reliable sources.
What you describe is horrible, and also it is simply not real, but entirely the result of your imagination. No source claims any of this the way you describe it.
In fact the latest reports describe two separate events, one where the stampede occurred, with no IDF involvement, and another event where there was a shooting at a check point. There is NO way to know what exactly happened from behind the keyboard. At this point all your claims are only the reflection of your beliefs, and nothing more.
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