Scientists push new paradigm of animal consciousness, saying even insects may be sentient

Far more animals than previously thought likely have consciousness, top scientists say in a new declaration — including fish, lobsters and octopus.

Bees play by rolling wooden balls — apparently for fun. The cleaner wrasse fish appears to recognize its own visage in an underwater mirror. Octopuses seem to react to anesthetic drugs and will avoid settings where they likely experienced past pain.

All three of these discoveries came in the last five years — indications that the more scientists test animals, the more they find that many species may have inner lives and be sentient. A surprising range of creatures have shown evidence of conscious thought or experience, including insects, fish and some crustaceans.

That has prompted a group of top researchers on animal cognition to publish a new pronouncement that they hope will transform how scientists and society view — and care — for animals.

Nearly 40 researchers signed “The New York Declaration on Animal Consciousness,” which was first presented at a conference at New York University on Friday morning. It marks a pivotal moment, as a flood of research on animal cognition collides with debates over how various species ought to be treated.

mojo_raisin,

The thing that makes the most sense to me is some combination of like animism and panpsychism. Then it doesn’t matter what may or may not be conscious, basically treat anything like it might be to the most practical level. Though I realize this is crazy talk to most people.

For example, don’t destroy stuff and cause what might be harm just for the hell of it.

  • Don’t kill a plant because someone called it a "weed"
  • A person using the wood of a tree for warmth, cooking, survival is part of the cycles of the planet. A corporation destroying forests so those in charge of it can skim profits is not.
  • Thank the plants and animals that gave their lives for your food, shelter, and things, and don’t waste their lives.
  • Maybe you have a piece of furniture that has history and has been in the family. Maybe it has some sort of spirit we can only partially understand. Maybe spirits come into being sometimes, when an object is built with love, such a a baby is made, or when someone builds a nice table. Destroying that table is more than simply the breaking of wood, it’s the loss of a history, a being. A materialist view of the world is so limiting.
BreakDecks,

You had me up until furniture souls.

HauntedCupcake,

Yeah, leaving it at don’t casually throw away stuff that cost a plant or animal life would have been fine 😂

mortemtyrannis,

The mentioning of panpsychism didn’t make you stop?!

FlyingSquid, (edited )

Yeah, well I’m still not sorry I put out ant traps.

Edit: The downvoters have clearly never had an ant infestation in their kitchen. It’s not a ‘live and let live’ situation.

HauntedCupcake,

Ants are also fairly well documented to be on the level of sophisticated biological robots. Death spirals/ant mills are a common occurrence because of this. There are arguments for some insects but ants are not one of them

wolfeh,
@wolfeh@lemmy.world avatar

What was obvious to most of us as kids (and what was attempted to be beaten out of us as kids) is now being accepted by scientists. Love it.

Tier1BuildABear,
@Tier1BuildABear@lemmy.world avatar

Right, I had no idea scientists were trying to say these animals weren’t sentient. Stupid scientists.

Natanael,

It’s not really that they all thought they didn’t, it’s that there was a lack of evidence to declare it to likely be true. Better testing methodology to exclude other possible explanations have contributed.

Son_of_dad,

I dunno about all that, but I used to have an African fish that would always get the zoomies when I’d come home from work. He’d spit water at me or gravel at the glass to get my attention, and loved playing hide and seek and always brushed up on my hands when I was working on his tank. He never reacted this way to visitors, just me.

Evil_Shrubbery,

Exactly this.

And to get to this you need experience, research, and knowledge.

And trying to explain this to humans in general would take several generations in best case scenario (much less actually doing/changing anything with that knowledge).

Usually anything attacking the doctrine of how extra super special & way more unique than other equally unique species are is meet with severe (auto-?)hostility.

Even without our status in question, just the “threat” of something being slightly less/differently inferior to us is immediately attacked by the vast majority.

And once we decide something is inferior to us it takes extra effort to change the popular belief (like racism between humans as well - just designate some human as non-human & they are considered about as much as billions of yeast bacteria as we are baking bread).

Daft_ish, (edited )

I think the auto-hostility is just hubris. Some people would like to pretend they know everything about everything. So when learning new things they get hostile because, oh no, we found them out.

Evil_Shrubbery,

Especially in today’s environment, I agree, hubris and greed.

chemicalwonka,
@chemicalwonka@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

so it’s time to stop masturbating with my dog in the room

naevaTheRat,
@naevaTheRat@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

They’re conscious, not a prude.

beefbot,

I mean your dog IS just waiting for some “food” to fall on the floor AAAAND I’ll show myself out

Gabu,

I could make a very crude joke, but I refuse. You win this time.

Gabu,

No fucking shit… anyone with half a brain and a minimum of empathy already knows that.

Yes, yes, the scientific method doesn’t discriminate between what is and isn’t obvious, but the headline is, as usual, aimed at people with the intellectual capabilities of a 4 year old.

K0W4LSK1,
@K0W4LSK1@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

The new paradigm is coming

LibertyLizard,

In my opinion the idea of animal conscious has been fairly well supported for decades at minimum. There was a certain anti-consciousness orthodoxy in the animal behavior field that held back understanding of this topic. But I mean simple observation of animal behavior and the similar nervous structures surely leave animal consciousness the most likely explanation, even if it’s difficult to definitively prove.

A more interesting question in my mind is whether plants are conscious. This is a question that we truly have no idea how to answer.

DragonTypeWyvern,

The idea that turned me into a vegetarian is the realization that my pets most definitely had personalities, and what is a person if not something with a personality?

I might not be able to have a complex discussion about shared interests with them, but there are plenty of humans you can say the same thing about, and I’m still not going to eat them, or be okay with them being tortured from birth to execution.

daltotron,

I might not be able to have a complex discussion about shared interests with them, but there are plenty of humans you can say the same thing about, and I’m still not going to eat them, or be okay with them being tortured from birth to execution.

Well, I mean…

DragonTypeWyvern,

🧐

treefrog,

Any being that needs a map of the environment is going to have consciousness. Depending on its sense organs it will experience consciousness much differently than other beings.

So yeah that’s a pretty low bar. We’re going to find it everywhere. I suspect even mycelium is a rudimentary consciousness/nervous system. And plants are a lot more active underground than they are above, roots will move around rocks, be aware of if their neighbors are their siblings or not and share nutrients with their siblings by giving them more space, be more competitive with plants that they’re not related to.

Life’s a trip, and we are just some clever apes who have a lot to learn I think.

CaptainSpaceman,

Slime mold appears intelligent, they used it in Japan to help reconfigure their subways iirc

Duke_Nukem_1990,

Will we now treat them as well as other clearly sentient animals like pigs?

gedaliyah,
@gedaliyah@lemmy.world avatar

There is no way I’m clicking on that link

FiniteBanjo, (edited )

You might be thinking of Sapience.

Sentience means capable of logic and reason. Bare bones perception qualifies. Sapience means wise or learned. Pigs are both.

FiniteBanjo,

Sometimes I confuse Sentient and Sapient in sentences but they actually don’t mean the same thing at all.

deft,

So arrogant are we

DarkSpectrum,

Anything being that has a sense of self and other has a level of conscious awareness.

Bezier,
@Bezier@suppo.fi avatar

I’d be tempted to go and say “no shit,” but even the most obvious things have to be proven or tested. How you define consciousness can also change a lot.

joyfullyexisting,

not surprising, I remember watching spider move when I was a kid and thinking they were obviously intelligent. sure they creep me out but I hate killing them for no reason, same with literally any other living thing

HWK_290,

That’s true, spider man was pretty sentient in his movie

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