A former quality auditor at Boeing supplier Spirit AeroSystems who turned whistleblower has died after a sudden illness, his family announced on Tuesday.
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Dean’s sudden death at the age of 45 was announced by his aunt and sister on social media on Tuesday. His mother wrote on Facebook that he had contracted pneumonia in April and suffered a stroke following an MSRA infection.
Let’s not turn into QAnon level conspiracy fuckwits here. He died of a natural illness as confirmed by his mother, and his family probably don’t want to have to deal with seeing everyone bringing him up in some deep state corpo assassination conspiracy bullshit.
You can hate Boeing for their shitty capitalist practices with resorting to this.
Thinking it’s possible a seedy thing happened =/= making up reams of bullshit based on a number in the background but sure everyone who disagrees with you is qanon
I intended to make it more like a cautionary tale. QAnon can happen to the best of us, and seedy thoughts that still consider that it was an illness for a while are sort of an entry point to the thought pattern behind conspiracy theories. If one builds tolerance to this kind of leap, it'll be easier to build tolerance for much bigger leaps.
I don’t agree. It happens to vulnerable people. And it’s not like a disease you can catch if you’re not vigilant. There are many steps to becoming bat shit, and wondering if a specific corporation would kill a person isn’t something I’m willing to avoid because next thing I know I’d be trying to hang the vice president.
Everyone is vulnerable in one way or another. Of course, wondering is natural, but seriously accepting it, as some in this thread have done, is a QAnon kind of leap.
wondering if a specific corporation would kill a person
You have to realize how your first post came off. The poster you responded to clearly was talking about the people claiming Boeing did it. Of which there are plenty of this thread.
You then jumped in and said this wasn’t conspiracy nonsense, but the result of “obvious deductive powers.”
This did not come off as merely “wondering” or considering it a possibility, but as if you were saying it was an obvious fact.
I’m not even sure how to interpret that comment in relation to what you’re saying now.
What I remember seeing was people making implications and jokes. People don’t always mean things 100% literally. I doubt there are all that many people totally convinced it was Boeing, but some of you are acting like that is the case. I disagree, that is all
Ps deductive reasoning doesn’t mean “I know it for a fact”
If my kid goes into the kitchen, and I go in a little while later and see the cookies are gone, i’m going to believe they ate them. Am I 100% convinced of it? No. Maybe i just didn’t realize they had been eaten earlier, or maybe someone snuck in the back and ate them. But I’m relatively convinced they ate the.
I’m sure there are very few people, at most, that are convince 100% that Boeing did it. But it’s very presumptuous to assume that all of the people in this thread claiming Boeing did it are just joking. Seems more reasonable to take their statements at face value and understand that they do think Boeing did it, or at least someone related to boeing did it.
But I’m not sure what this has to do with what was suggested by your initial post.
Ps deductive reasoning doesn’t mean “I know it for a fact”
By definition deductive reason is using logic to come to a specific conclusion, so it absolutely does mean it’s a fact.
Deductive reasoning means using evidence so no you’re flat wrong. Also, ever heard of a “knee jerk reaction”? Hint, that also isn’t a term that means you’re sure of anything
You’re confusing deductive reasoning with inductive reasoning. But I wouldn’t even call it inductive reasoning, as it’s really just an empty hypothesis where people are putting what they want to be the truth into the holes of our knowledge…or hell even outright rejecting evidence, like qanons do.
And, again, Ive already agreed that they don’t 100% believe it. But arguing that they don’t think Boeing had this person killed is just ignoring what they said and assuming what you want.
This conversation started with some people cheekily blaming Boeing (a fair first reaction). Then some dude chided everyone for being like qanon, I said that was a deep over exaggeration, now here I am getting a lesson in pedantry. What even are conversations like this?
I read the thread one way and a couple others didn’t. End of story.
"oh, sorry. I was mistaken about what deductive reasoning means, and I can see why what I said did not convey what I actually think. Thanks for the correction.’
What didn’t you understand about me and my therapist having more important things to discuss than you being wrong and refusing to admit it?
Oh, wait, I see what this is. It’s a projection. Your inability to admit you are wrong is something you realize you need to work through, which is why you are claiming that I have issues I need to work through.
You see you just admitted you got issues beyond “me being wrong”. I used your words against you to say I agree. Surely a pedant could appreciate the weaponization of an opponent’s words to use against them
Oh I see, people mean what they say when it confirms what you want to be true, but when it puts you in a tricky spot… Well, then, man you have to be really stupid to think they actually mean it.
Obvious deductive powers like not reading the article? Or do you think his mum was in on it too?
This article headline is written to push people to a conclusion. If it had simply added the word “illness” most people would not be “deducting” shit. It’s media manipulation to generate clicks and you’re falling for it.
I think the real take away is that there are so many people willing to speak out against Boeing’s procedures that odds are some are going to die before the conclusion of this investigation.
Okay, but in the interest of not pretending that They Would Never™ can we all agree that if a THIRD whistleblower dies shortly before or during testimony that maybe something is happening here? You have the guy who committed suicide in the middle of depositions after telling his friend “If I commit suicide, no I absolutely did not” and now the healthy 45 year old who all of a sudden has multiple infections and a stroke. Is there a point at which you’d accept the idea that it’s a bit beyond coincidence that the deadliest place in the world seems to be the witness stand at a trial where Boeing is the defendant?
Didn’t the first guy’s family talk about how he was depressed out of his mind and barely knew the woman who made those claims?
You can blame Boeing for abusing and causing mental and ultimately physical deterioration of their QA staff. You can’t blame them for faking suicide or giving someone pneumonia.
I still personally think that criminal charges need to be filed against their managers or coworkers, even if it’s not for murder.
I’m just trying to establish conditions by which we all might agree that this is worth looking into before they happen. It’s easy to try to play connect the dots with the stars, there are a bunch of them already and you can just ignore the ones that don’t make the picture you want. I’m trying to add predictions to this theory in the name of the scientific method - if another whistleblower dies before his testimony is complete, that will be beyond what I can dismiss as coincidence.
Edit: yeah, they died very suddenly from an infection and stroke. It’s not like they had cancer or anything. So my contention is wrong in this case. Leaving my comment up to memorialize my mistake.
Original comment:
It appears they died from a “natural illness.” Before we go all conspiracy theory here let me remind everyone that a poor diagnosis sometimes LEADS to someone becoming a whistleblower. They are confronted with their own mortality and want to do some good before they go.
The death may not have been a result of the whistleblowing but may have been the cause of the whistleblowing.
I doubt during Boeing board meetings they are planning assassinations, but I have no doubt there’s a wealthy investor or board member willing to kill to prevent losing money.
The Seattle Times wrote that Dean “had been in good health and was noted for having a healthy lifestyle,” but had died after contracting “a sudden, fast-spreading infection.”
Agent 747 has some more sophisticated toys to play with this time. He must have upgraded after the last whistleblower.
I mean, suiciding the guy who flat out told his friends “If I commit suicide no I didn’t” shows that agent 747 was due to update his techniques and understanding.
This seems a lot more like an unfortunate coincidence than the first whistleblower, unless Boeing have resorted to bioterrorism to get rid of their witnesses, but I'd hate to be part of Boeing's PR team right now - huge court case where the witnesses against you keep dying doesn't look good even if you had nothing to do with it.
When you see in movies that the bad guy is bold AF and kills indiscriminately yet no-one seems to be doing nothing you think: meh, that is so unrealistic
yet here we are…
we just need a real life Liam Neeson that would kill all the bosses of Boeing, given that law is useless against the rich and powerful.
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