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Connected cars’ illegal data collection and use now on FTC’s “radar” (arstechnica.com)

The Federal Trade Commission’s Office of Technology has issued a warning to automakers that sell connected cars. Companies that offer such products “do not have the free license to monetize people’s information beyond purposes needed to provide their requested product or service,” it wrote in a blog post on Tuesday. Just...

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Nah, it’s not that Chinese cars have too much privacy its that the data is going to China.

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Project Lion Cage by Tor Indstøy.

According to that Finnish Researchers project, on his own ES8 from NIO, about 90% of the data the car generates is being sent directly to China. The data includes the cars physical location as well as specific information about the driver.

He has 6 articles in the series now.

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Having an inner voice makes it easier to absorb the information in a book

I think all of our brains are wired different and the different wiring leads to advantages in one thing but it’s probably a disadvantage for others. For instance I have no inner voice but my reading speed, with comprehension, is well faster than nearly anyone I’ve ever met. I can even sometimes recall precisely where on a page a given word or phrase was located, even years after reading the material. However I’m almost entirely unable to imagine a 3 dimensional object and rotate it in my “minds eye”.

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I’m not the OP either but my brain seems to work the same way that yours and theirs do. I’d say you did a good job of describing how it works for people like us.

One difference though is that you don’t seem to have the visual recall that I do. I don’t have a “photographic” memory but I could probably recall the hypothetical map as a visual object and examine it for additional information that I didn’t notice the first time.

I can personally push it to a visualisation, but it takes significant mental effort, and the results are unstable.

You may actually be better at this than I am. Describing my results as “unstable” would charitable. I also don’t get dog breeds, just amorphous and blurry blobs with rorsarch like colors slapped on them.

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vainglorious,

Wow, now there’s a word you don’t see very often!

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Like, bruh, I’m a dude, but I’d rather see a bear than another man if I was on a solo backpacking trip.

I think you may have a skewed perception of the risks, at least where I live. As someone who is out in the wilds of the Rocky Mountains on a frequent basis I’d much rather wander into another man than a bear. Here in Wyoming Brown Bears, aka Grizzlies, are now mauling or killing multiple people per year during wilderness encounters however I haven’t heard of a single random wilderness encounter where a man attacked or killed someone in at least a decade.

If you are hiking somewhere that only has Black Bears than yeah you are statistically safer with the Bear. If you hike here though you are statistically safer with the man.

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My apologies and I really have nothing further to say. 🙂

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It’s all good, I just “outdoor” in a place with a large and growing number of Brown Bears so sometimes I can’t help evangelizing a bit about how dangerous they can be, particularly in the spring and fall. Aside from that I have nothing further to say. 🙂

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Who is “they”?

As the article notes the largest meat packers are at least somewhat against this and are themselves investing in cell grown meat. The National Cattleman’s Association stance on the issue, also noted in the article, boils down to “It’s fine, it just needs to be labelled so consumers know what they’re getting.”

I think the only “they” we can define here are the Florida and Alabama State Legislatures.

If I was a Rancher, and I’m not terribly far removed from that, I wouldn’t want cell grown or cultivated meat banned. I’d stand up a production center for it on my ranch right next to my cattle and sell both.

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How do you, an average American, purchase an anti-worker product created by an adversary government? Simple, you move to China along with the rest of the American CEOs.

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Where as the States with no inspection are impoverished shit holes, I stand by my, ‘no threat’.

You don’t live in reality.

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Anti worker. Riiight.

Are you seriously trying to make the claim that a Chinese auto worker is doing as well as a UAW member? If you are I want proof, if not then what are you talking about?

If they’d gotten off their rich asses and developed the tech for cheap, well-built EVs sooner they wouldn’t need Big Brother to run to their aid.

You realize it’s “cheap” in China because their Government subsidizes it and the manufacturers abuse their employees, right?

This round, it’s time they did.

I have no love for the American Auto Industry but this idea that BYD or any other Chinese “New Energy” vehicle is competing on anything like a level playing field is ludicrous. They are cheap because they pay their workers like dogshit, they treat their workers like dogshit, they have near zero environmental safety regulations, and they have near zero environmental regulations hell. 2/3rds of their electricity is produced by burning coal!

Lusting after a cheap BYD product just because you despise American Auto Manufacturers is literally cutting of your own nose in order to spite your face.

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US government right now is very heavily subsidizing EVs as well.

What you refer to as “heavily” (~15B across four years) is what China spent per year every year from 2009 through 2022, for a total of 173 Billion dollars. Their latest package, announced last September, will have them spending 73$ Billion across the next four years. Their Government has literally been subsidizing EV production at 3-4 times the rate of the United States for over a decade! Yeah, that’s a totally level playing field. No shenanigans there, no Sir.

let’s say double the price.

As the article notes the Seagull, rebadged as a Dolphin Mini, sells for $21,000 in Latin America so you aren’t going to get it for $24,000 in the United States and most especially not if it’s built here where they can’t employ people for 5 USD an hour.

You don’t have to like it, or me, but it’s completely irrefutable that the 12,000 price is only possible due enormous government subsidies and cheap Chinese labor. Allowing those vehicles into the United States is the end of all domestic auto manufacturing, not just the Big 3, and all of the workers who are employed there. We already watched this play out with Steel, Textiles, and other manufacturing based industries.

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@Buelldozer is right, he’s just being extra spicy about it.

You’re darn right I’m being extra spicy. This is a re-run of what I watched happen with textiles, steel, and other manufacturing businesses here in the United States and especially industries that were heavily unionized with higher labor costs.

It’s astonishing to see so many people willing to kill their Domestic Labor just so they can get a cheap car. It’s disgustingly short sighted and selfish.

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How could you ever fuck your production cost so much as to get losses like that.

It’s because there is a lot of fixed cost being divided into a relatively small number of units. For instance “Ford Blue” is Ford’s ICE division and in Q1 it moved about 626,000 units while “Ford Model e” is Ford’s EV division and it only moved about 10,000 units in Q1. Source.

So if Ford Blue spends a Billion dollars that’s a per vehicle cost of $1,597. If Ford Model e spends a Billion dollars its a per vehicle cost of $100,000.

So what would cost a Billion dollar? Well, how about 3 new battery factories plus an EV assembly factory that cost something like

That’s not nearly all of it either. In May of 2021 Ford said that would spend something like

So yeah, Ford has spent the GDP of some small countries shifting to EV production and when you divide those very large sums into a very small number of vehicles you get upside down real quick.

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I dont think it would be fair to call that a loss per vehicle then.

It’s common to break down the cost of Fixed Asset Investment to per unit produced by the investment. I won’t comment on whether it’s “fair” or not but it is common and it’s how the article arrived at this eye popping “loss per vehicle” number.

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Seems like they enjoy crying over losses and staying silent over profits.

It’s not in the actual report put out by Ford. It’s a creation of the Journalist who wrote the article. So you are unhappy with Julian van der Merwe, the author of the article.

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why isn’t more being done to improve security and find the criminals?

It is but Law Enforcement and Healthcare I.T. can’t keep up with the growing number of threats and threat actors. From the perspective of someone in Healthcare I.T. I’ve watched lots of money, time, and effort get spent on securing systems but it’s never quite enough and it never happens fast enough.

MFA all the things, HIPS on everything, EDR on everything, Zero Trust everything, regular patching of all systems, High End Firewalls, encrypt all the things, bi-annual security reviews, DNS Filtering, regular network sweeps for unknown or unmanaged equipment…and you can still end up getting whacked by a 0 Day exploit in a commercial helpdesk tool. (This is what got Change / Optum).

The criminals typically belong to overseas hacking groups, many of which are in places that Western Law Enforcement can’t reach like Russia, Belarus, China, and North Korea.

It’s a nearly impossible challenge and it’s never going to end as long as these systems have any path to the public internet.

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Fixing the issue doesn’t line the pockets of investors.

Yeah it does. Cyber Security companies are making tons of money selling things like EDR, High End Firewalls, DNS Filtering, MFA, and so on. Healthcare Institutions are buying the stuff but none of it is enough.

It’s the age old race of Arms vs Armorer.

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I completely agree. Lemmy is a global community after all.

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The women got their cars back, this case wasn’t about that, but SCOTUS really needs to deal with the “Civil Asset Forfeiture” monster that they created.

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I want a $10000 car that would normally be inflated to $30000 in the US.

You can’t make that same car in the United States for anything like the same price. Even ignoring the Chinese Governments heavy subsidies there’s still a massive cost gap due to worker compensation, cost of compliance with safety regulations, cost of compliance with environmental regulations, and a whole host of other things.

The cost of manufacturing in the United States is radically higher than it is in China and that simply isn’t fixable unless you’re going to unwind Union pay deals, remove environmental laws, and reduce safety restrictions.

You cannot have both, so which are you choosing? Are you going to go with your wallet like a self absorbed capitalist or are you going to support union workers, stronger environmental laws, and more worker safety?

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Every step of the supply chain has a profit margin attached. Sometimes just a few percent, but often double digits.

That’s true in China as well. The only difference is in the price of what is being marked up.

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The disconnect has locals fulminating.

What?

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Today you can use an inline “RunAs” command such as "runas /user:Administrator “powershell.exe -executionpolicy bypass -command Set-Location "$PWD"; .\install.ps1”

Or you could use Gsudo.

Additionally, Sudo will soon be available in Win11.

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