To be fair, you need a very high IQ to understand lefty memes. The humor is extremely subtle, and without a solid grasp of dialectical materialism most of the jokes will go over a typical user’s head. There’s also the intersectionalist perspective, which is deftly woven into online communities - the horniness draws directly from the old r/196, for instance. The fans understand this stuff; they have the intellectual capacity to truly appreciate the depths of these jokes, to realize that they’re not just funny- they say something deep about CAPITALISM. As a consequence people who dislike lefty memes truly ARE idiots- of course they wouldn’t appreciate, for instance, the humour in the popular characterization of the bourgeoisie as friggin’ piggies, which itself is a cryptic reference to 19th century propaganda. I’m smirking right now just imagining one of those addlepated simpletons scratching their heads in confusion as HappyRoadKill’s genius unfolds itself on their phones’ screens. What fools… how I pity them. 😂 And yes by the way, I DO have a Karl Marx’s tattoo. And no, you cannot see it. It’s for the femboys’ eyes only- And even they have to demonstrate that they’re within 5 points of class consciousness coefficient of my own (preferably lower) beforehand.
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Honestly people who make memes about either political side are stupid. Personally the left and right label is out-datedIMO and just hurting further evolution of society. Almost like they want us fighting over stupid memes instead of actually facing the real problem.
Lol I understand it perfectly its just dumb and needs to change. I will participate in the system but I strongly disagree with everything and will continue to voice my anger and disagreement with the fucking world. I vote, I strike, I volunteer, I go to city planning meetings for god sake. I know what im talking about, I’m trying to make a change dude.
This constant squabbling over things that really dont matter in the end is fucking insane. We all see the politicians promise the world and deliver nothing yet we continue to play the game. The amount of times they have proved corruption is part and parcel of the system should be enough to tell you what they really want. I am just trying to point out there is another way. We dont have to play the game they dictate.
What is ignorant and sadly very human is assuming this is it.
no you don’t, because any form of society begets a government once you need to make rules, and i assure you, that every single group of people above like 50 had some form of government going on, because even without government, you just get the warlord government of who is strongest
Dude I’m not saying having a governing body of some sort is stupid I’m saying our current system is and of course people above 50 had a government wtf are you talking about. Also those 50 year olds were OK with murdering 1000s maybe 10000s of native children and then sweep them under a school thats the government I’m fighting
I know what I’m fighting and its bigger then all of us and I will never attempt tonerase genocide that happemed we did that not too long ago and it needs to be shouts from the rooftops idk about you but I’m tired of the whitewashing and tires of western fucking problems its disgusting what we have our politicians fighting over while they actually fuck the world you me everyone is complacent in genocide as we speak
Lol fuck I wish naw it’s more complicated its us we are the fucking problem dude. More specifically politics in general is broken and doesnt work anymore maybe it used to but hasn’t lately and getting worse
Edit: for the record I do believe in all that crazy alien shit but I dont blame any of humanity’s failings on anyone but ourselves and as well with our ahievements are all our own. we are the masters of our own destiny no matter what the fuck is out there
To be honest im not sure exactly More transparent to start, maybe restraints on corporate lobbying, more involvement with the people like public volunteer panels to discuss policies and other stuff. Thats just off the top of my head but I sure there are thousands of ways we could improve the system but we should at least try something else because I think we can all agree its shit
Those sound like left policies tbh! The right does NOT want restraints on corporate lobbying nor do they want more democracy. I think these are good ideas but I also think maybe you are way too hopeful about how open the political right is to these seemingly basic democratic measures.
The left/right seem basically the same if you just look at Dems/Republicans because they basically are the same, but true left politics aligns a lot more with what you’re saying than you may realize.
Just because my ideas align with “left politics” doesnt mean I believe in the system sure some have good ideas but usually it involves capitalism and that shit is a sickness. I also believe nationalism and patriotism have become a sickness. Once were useful but weve outgrown that. I want a better world for everyone even the fucking assholes that dont want a better world (capitalists you have to hurt people to get more) maybe we need to stop being so inclusive and cull some assholes no trials. Personally I want some variant of socialism.
But I’m not Naive and know things happen slowly and in steps so I will work with what I have to strive for what I want. In the end humanity is so immature as a species we really need to grow more consciencely to grown as a society IMO
I mean i dont see it who would fund them? maybe a long time ago but thats not true anymore. all politicians are bad the system has been corrupted for longer then you and me its all words and semantics they use to distract us now
Their salaries you think politicians would make this much in socialist world? you think money would even be relevent ? How do you think these politicians will take hearing they have to eat shit like the rest of us to fix this world? you think that’ll happen? i dont Agreed on words matterin but so do actions and lately we’ve let those in control do all the actions. When I say a better world I mean everywhere not just america every human deserves to live and this world the way the system is does not allow that
Awesome I hope you like it, Angela Davis is truly a hero.
Yeah I agree, politicians are at the behest of corporations and rely on them for campaign funding. One idea is to publically fund campaigns and ban donations, so anyone can run and it’s an even playing field.
Agreed but so far it only seems plausible on a small scale until their are restrictions on corporations or some sort of benefit for employee owned co-ops
Dude trust me I understand your confusion. but again my whole original point from the first one was the memes are stupid because I dont think labelling our ideas is doing us any good. if I could explain my point, without using these words that are mainly semantics at this point. I would, but then I wouldn’t get my point across.
What I’m trying to say we need something new. In my opinion left right socialist fascist communist capitalist whatever you want its all a spectacle this system is the problem and we need to break free but will be slow and I guess I just rant on Lemmy because I have to take it slow in real life You guys are like my teachers helping me shape my future arguments.
Can we all agree to stop using terms like political left and political right in such wide context? There are a lot of complicated issues considered to be political, and using aforementioned terms is just oversimplification. There is no need for all of this, it just helps dishonest people. There is even scientific study showing impact of labeling of different proportions es left or right.
This is exactly the kind of nuance that the meme is referencing!!!
I think it’s valid to talk about left and right (in addition to other labels with more detail) as long as we have a two-party system. But I also agree that the tenancy to oversimplify everything only helps the religions fascists and the capitalists that manipulate them.
The only way you can see anything left in the right-wing racketeering “two-party system” is if you don’t have the foggiest idea what left and right actually means.
I take it this is the first time you’ve been informed of this?
You have been extremely condescending and rude, making sweeping assumptions about me based on a few sentences. I took a look at your comment history, and it seems that this is basically all you do here, attacking others to presumably make yourself feel better.
I’m fine with disagreement, but I have better things to do than help you compensate for whatever inadequacies you think you have.
Perhaps if the liberal hive-mind was less immunized against reality the “condescending and rude” behavior wouldn’t be required.
making sweeping assumptions about me based
This you?
I think it’s valid to talk about left and right (in addition to other labels with more detail) as long as we have a two-party system.
So I was wrong about you being completely uninformed (at best) or grossly misinformed (at worst) about the subject matter at hand?
I’m fine with disagreement,
We haven’t disagreed on anything. In order for us to actually disagree, both of us needs to at least have a working knowledge of what it is we are talking about, don’t we?
One of us knows what the terms “left” and “right” actually means in a political context - the other doesn’t.
I know my damn son went to college and started liking black people just because he met some and realized that they’re human. Started believing in science too!
Years of my hard work instilling traditional values, all for nothing. Goddamn leftist brainwashing.
Most people probably don’t think doing anything based only on race is very good anymore. Unfortunately if you keep to a totally homogenous group, use only negative language to describe another group (like black people or hispanic people being this or lazy or entitled or weird names or bad music or whatever), and only associate people from those groups with causes or ideas you feel strongly negative about (BLM / border walls / etc)… You are still providing some good old fashioned indoctrination to that effect. That behavioral training will stick much deeper than any message you might give about not seeing color or similar. It’s easy to get really sideways really fast with tribal behaviors, since that’s sort of the main human distinguishing thing.
While prejudice does happen, simply getting to know the person basically destroys it completely. It’s more of a problem in policing, hiring, etc. Things that require assumptions about people to gauge important situations
This is true, the left deploys these evil ideas like “science” to brainwash you into believing their “actual ways to improve people’s lives” it’s devious.
By “play along” do you mean treat with basic decency and humanity? Because no that’s not science, there’s this guy from this weird old book the right really likes that says that. In fairness, it’s kinda deep–like the second half of the book–so many don’t read that far.
No? Of course transgender people should be treated with care and decency like anybody else. But they shouldn’t be allowed into the opposite sex’s prisons, bathrooms, hospital wards, etc. By play along I mean stuff like “use these person’s preferred pronouns or you must die” or “allow these people into your bathrooms or you must die”
Bathrooms because women should feel safe in the bathrooms and same with hospital wards. Unisex and disabled bathrooms do exist and would make a good option.
So I’m gonna make some assumptions here to make this point, and I’m also gonna admit I’m a big old lefty and what I’m about to say even makes me a little uncomfortable (I’m working on it).
So first I am going to presume that you are male and not totally jacked or otherwise in amazing shape. What if you were in going to get take out and some called you Ms. Flax? You might say “it’s actually Mr. Flax thx” and then they say “well, you’re in pretty poor shape Ms. Flax… Men are jacked and you arent jacked… So… ?”. This is patently shitty yeah? It’s the same thing you have to go on if you hear anyone ask you to use different pronouns: the only way you can know for sure is to do a visual inspection of goods or a blood test. There is literally no circumstance where that would be ok. Now what is that was not once, but many interactions. If you weren’t miffed to start, I bet it starts making you put out. I can understand that.
Now extend it to bathrooms. Do you usually card people in your house for the toilet or see it happen at restaurants? What if now it’s on you to bench press 300 lb or you need to go sit in the girls room? It’s demoralizing. It literally costs you nothing to just let someone go take a leak. You are at greater risk of some R/Tory going in to the bathroom with your kid to take some pictures than someone with some current or past gender identity issues (resolved or unresolved) who has to take a shit.
It is not always super easy. Even I sometimes see a really square jaw and broad shoulders and a skirt and it makes me uncomfortable for a split second until I remember I don’t have any obligation but to call them what they want to be called and treat that person like a person. Then, it’s just not that big of a deal.
Thank you for taking the time to not scream at me.
I have received verbal abuse in the past for having longer hair. Ironically it was transphobic abuse despite me not being trans. But I also had a toxic friend group which tried to pressure me into being trans. They kept talking about hating men, their pronouns, etc. I made a vague notion of being non-binary as I wasn’t one of these “evil” men they were talking about and wasn’t very masculine either. They took it and ran with it and basically started insulting cis men saying it’s okay because I’m “not a cis man”. At the time I was very affirming of transgender people. I advocated for their preferred pronoun use, rights to use preferred bathrooms, etc. It wasn’t until they started talking about neopronouns and I began to look into it and debate it rather than straight accept it that they all kicked me out. I also had another friend who detransitioned. I also realised the comments online saying stuff like “billions must trans their gender” weren’t a joke. I realised it had become some sort of social dogma which you cannot dare question, and a peer pressure element and sometimes a trauma element. The same movement I was trying to appease would fundamentally hate me anyway as well.
By calling someone by their preferred pronouns or letting them use a preferred bathroom, I am affirming them. But I don’t believe anymore that I should be affirming them or telling them that they’re correct and this is the right thing for them. I’d prefer to use gender neutral they/them pronouns as to not make them explicitly uncomfortable because they have a right to be comfortable, but I don’t think it’s right to play along with their emotional turmoil. Maybe I am wrong and genuine gender dysphoria does exist, but the trans people I interacted with, the ones claiming to be men acted like women and the ones claiming to be women acted like men. I don’t believe in it anymore.
You are within your rights to do how you want, but you’ll catch some hell.
I know 6 people in the trans community now, none of whom have “detransitioned” and none of whose judgement I would question. I was lucky to spend a long time in both boarding school and college and every trans person I know was and is of unimpeachable character and intellect. My argument to you is that it cost you nothing to trust that any person is their own best judge of their needs and perspectives. In the worst case, you end up on a position to have a frank discussion with someone you have always supported. If the shoe were on the other foot, I know I would feel pretty salty if my friends or acquaintances thought they knew my struggles better than I did.
There’s nothing to be gained from yelling at you or anyone else who isn’t “on board”, but just like other social issues, I don’t think it’s the job of your friendly neighborhood trans person to explain to you either (and that’s a totally separate tough place to get to). I would rather step up and try my best to do that role myself.
I don’t really want to make transgender people explain themselves. Because I don’t think it would be productive randomly sharing my opinion with them unsolicited and making it personal. I don’t see how it would help either or be productive. Every trans person I’ve know or have known has had other things going on underlying, quite often they were the victims of sexual abuse as well. It’s kind of hard seeing someone do something unhealthy yet you know if you point it out to them they’d be deeply hurt, because of society telling them they should be.
I guess you never stopped to wonder why your brain didn’t explode in a puff of PragerU-branded nonsense when you discovered that all humans are capable of wearing trousers, huh?
I’m sure this meme is aimed to the US but “the left” is very broad from where I’m from and I don’t see any “science” in their propaganda to be honest. And improving people’s lives is very subjective and have various interpretations. Let’s just hear everyone from all political spectrums and vote about it shall we?
There is legitimate honest it-really-exists propaganda put out by folks to the left of John McCain. PETA is a real thing. The Sierra Club is a real thing. The ACLU is a real thing. The DSA is real.
But the deck is stacked when you assert an advocated policy needs to be some kind of cosmological truth. I don’t need “science” to tell me that Trans-people deserve equitable treatment or that shooting your 11-month old dog in a gravel pit is bad or that billionaires shouldn’t exist. These are decidedly political views.
What’s more, when I advocate for a position, I’m not going to argue “fairly” with a bigot, a dog-murderer, or a plutocrat. I’m going to make my strongest points and my hardest digs, then leave the opposition to make its own case. Given that I’m being outspent $1M:$1, I don’t feel any need to develop a case for the TERF or a South Dakota governor or the megalomaniac profiting off lead paint sales on their behalf.
You don’t need to be objective. You can have an opinion and still be a good leftist. You can even make a passionate, moving case that’s intended to grip people on more than a purely logical level.
Don’t let the right-wing asshats scare you away from showing your humanity when you’re engaging in progressive politics.
Both sides can have ultra cringe meme’s. Both sides can have great meme’s. Both sides make up meme’s the other side never made to make the other side look worse.
Also a picture of somebody being a nuisance with a pickup with a caption about how tough they are for doing it isn’t exactly what I’d qualify as a good meme.
Love the irony of calling out kneejerk assumptions… This post is effectively “Left wing people are smart. Right wing people are dumb. Upvote if you agree”
No, the post is pointing out that reinforcing existing beliefs doesn’t require an explanation while giving reasons to change does. Explanations are always longer.
So, leftist memes are long and nuanced? Leftists must not hang around Lemmy and Reddit then, because by the time I see anything long and nuanced around here it’s not a meme any more.
Moreover, a short, meme-length satire absolutely can challenge and give reason to change, as it draws attention to the incongruity in the reader’s expectations. If course it can also be dumb, wrong, maligned or ignored.
No, I do think this post is essentially “my memes clever, your memes dumb”; and, “stop having fun at your own satire. You’re all stupid and you need to know you’re all stupid”; and back again, “see guys, I called them stupid. Now we can all feel relief and walk away.”
Boring endnote, please stop reading…
I take to the comments again to complain that there’s too much oversaturation of defending good things with dumb takes. I’m not, above, trying to defend right-wing memes; what frustrates me so often on Lemmy and Reddit is seeing good values - caring for the poor, having justice in society, treating women with respect, making policies with science not assumptions… - seeing good and important things defended often with lies, ad hominem attacks and other bad takes. If your true goal is for the ‘poor’ to win, then lies and tantrums make superficial logical sense, but (a) watch your necks when today’s poor become tomorrow’s rich and (b) do you actually care for the poor or is it “my segment of society” win? But if your true goal is for society to be good and kind and just and honest, then while you fight for justice, be just; and be honest, while you fight for honesty; and be kind to those you don’t like, while you fight for people in power to be kind even to those they don’t like; and choose your sources with integrity when you fight for science; and consider your own views when you fight for people to seek truth outside their echo chambers. But do you care about the people you’re memeing to? Or do you really want to make yourself look good.
No. They have different values than you. You can call their values cruel and perhaps call them cruel for having them, I may agree with you. But it is absolutely wrong to call these people dumb.
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