oblomov,
@oblomov@sociale.network avatar

While I agree with the @fsf warning about the emblematic value of the decision by to pull support for from , their article <https://u.fsf.org/3z8> is as empty as could be, especially considering that doesn't support JPEG XL either (being based on a branch that doesn't build support in.) You want to show that can do without? Do it by actually supporting what you complain Google is failing to.

oblomov,
@oblomov@sociale.network avatar

As I've already mentioned elsewhere (https://sociale.network/@oblomov/110073403788621333 http://wok.oblomov.eu/tecnologia/opera-requiem-3/ etc), much more so than 's abuse of its dominant position, the responsibility for the loss of the open web lies on the shoulder of the minority browsers. Why isn't shipping support in current releases of ? What about any other browser, or not, pretending to be interested in the ?

oblomov,
@oblomov@sociale.network avatar

The only browser I actually know of that can support is https://otter-browser.org/ —a basically one-man effort to wrap the classic Opera/Presto UX on top of Qt-based web engines— and even then under the very specific conditions that the QtWebKit engine is used, with an environment variable set to enable support for “unsafe” formats (this, BTW, enables support for too).

oblomov,
@oblomov@sociale.network avatar

I'm sorry, but I'm not going to give any weight to anybody talking about the unless they start putting actual effort in to break through Google's monopoly. And if you ever dare talk about something like , you'd better do it from a position of credibility, which means supporting in the first place.

oblomov,
@oblomov@sociale.network avatar

For and its forks, this means enabling it out of the box for main builds. For -based browsers (@Vivaldi are you listening?), this means rolling back Google's patch to remove it, and help maintain it with community effort. Ditto for . The needs something like what the did for the office productivity suites and formats.

nemobis,
@nemobis@mamot.fr avatar

@oblomov I've asked a few times and I still don't understand why a Google-created image format is suddenly so necessary to the open web. Are we falling into the "enemy of my enemy" trap?

oblomov,
@oblomov@sociale.network avatar

@nemobis It's quite diminutive to call JPEG-XL “a Google-created format”. It's a standardized format created to cover the entire span of features of existing formats (lossy and lossless compression, with transparency and optional animation) at a much higher density compared, and even allowing direct lossless transcoding from the most common format it would replace (JPEG). It's the closest thing we have today to a unified image format.

oblomov,
@oblomov@sociale.network avatar

Well, this is interesting: there is already a community-supported patch for derivatives that restores suppot
https://github.com/Alex313031/thorium-libjxl
I'm looking forward to it being adopted by Linux distributions that roll their own Chromium, and by other Blink-based browsers with a claimed interest in open standards (glances at @Vivaldi)

Vivaldi,
@Vivaldi@vivaldi.net avatar

@oblomov Hey, could you submit a feature request with this to our forum?

https://forum.vivaldi.net/category/185/desktop-feature-requests

oblomov,
@oblomov@sociale.network avatar

@Vivaldi the is already a features requests for it:
https://forum.vivaldi.net/topic/85153/adding-support-for-jpeg-xl-jxl-images (the Thorium patch is mentioned in one of the comments)

Vivaldi,
@Vivaldi@vivaldi.net avatar

@oblomov Okay, thank you! :D Upvote it if you haven't, but that's very good.

wb,

@oblomov There are also Thorium, Pale Moon, Basilisk, Waterfox, and the Chromium shipped in OpenMandriva.

oblomov,
@oblomov@sociale.network avatar

@wb oh, good to know, thanks.

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