LarryE992001,
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"The reason they keep going back to this fantasy that Joe Biden could not have gotten 81 million votes is they are protected from knowing those people or how many of them there are. They are protected from hearing anything positive about Biden. They are protected from hearing any evidence that Trump is the villain that he is."
-Keith Olbermann
https://crooksandliars.com/2024/01/all-sudden-maga-mad-green-day

RustyBertrand,

@LarryE992001

The first rule of the Dunning-Kruger club is you don't know you're a member of the Dunning-Kruger club.



xs4me2,
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@RustyBertrand

True… or unconsciously incompetent without possibility to improve…

RustyBertrand, (edited )

@xs4me2
I still don't understand brainwashing vs "not very bright".

Evil vs incompetent.

I was brainwashed. I struggled my whole childhood trying to understand what was wrong with the people around me.

Despite knowing nothing else. No TV, radio, or books. I still don't know why I know what I know.

I live in fear of being delusional or wrong. I never am.

A demon-haunted world by Carl Sagan calmed me down.

I was raised by the children of god left at 17.

xs4me2,
@xs4me2@mastodon.social avatar

@RustyBertrand

It all starts by being able to think independently as a person, being critical and having learned enough in life to be able to get that attitude.

And not simply accept what others think is the truth...

That insight does not come by itself. Critical thinking needs to be taught...

It is very simple to influence, manipulate people that are a blank slate, young, uneducated, or not so very bright (easily manipulated), they just have no framework (yet)...

RustyBertrand,

@xs4me2
For some.

xs4me2,
@xs4me2@mastodon.social avatar

@RustyBertrand

I was always fortunate enough to find my heroes in science from a young age, simply out of interest... trying to see the overall picture and zooming on the details...

xs4me2,
@xs4me2@mastodon.social avatar

@RustyBertrand Especially if you deprive them of knowledge and information. It is what sects do, brainwash and total control which makes manipulation easy....

xs4me2,
@xs4me2@mastodon.social avatar

@RustyBertrand The same for politics and nowadays very relevant in the extreme right wing train wrecks we see happening in the world... dangerous manipulation by populist pied pipers...

Snowshadow,
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@RustyBertrand @xs4me2
Yes.
So well said.

RustyBertrand,

@Snowshadow @xs4me2

I'm an atheist, but, there is, must be, a knowledge built in, like a mycorrhizal network.

We are but fruiting bodies.

xs4me2,
@xs4me2@mastodon.social avatar

@RustyBertrand @Snowshadow

I guess that is the ability to see the truth, the world as it is... independently, without the need for unneeded frameworks.

Truth vs lies, good vs evil...

RustyBertrand,

@xs4me2 @Snowshadow

Some mathematical theories took a long time to be proven.

xs4me2,
@xs4me2@mastodon.social avatar

@RustyBertrand @Snowshadow

Truth and logic need their time, even to be accepted. The church tried to declare Galileo as a heretic, but in the end truth prevailed over dogma ;)

xs4me2,
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@RustyBertrand @Snowshadow

And the mullahs are trying it again... sadly people are falling for it again too...

RustyBertrand,

@xs4me2 @Snowshadow
If they aren't full of doubt, they're probably full of bullshit.

Snowshadow,
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@RustyBertrand
You win the truth of the day award.@xs4me2

xs4me2,
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@Snowshadow @RustyBertrand

Thx, I do not deserve it, just saying what I think...

xs4me2, (edited )
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@RustyBertrand @Snowshadow

Exactly, as those who think and seek the truth are full of doubt, always...

RustyBertrand,

@xs4me2 @Snowshadow

It doesn't seem to be a choice.
Can't be bought.
Can't be programmed.
Just like cruelty.

I mean, the statistics can never be known. But there are people who know. And work around the bs. Even if they never win.

xs4me2, (edited )
@xs4me2@mastodon.social avatar

@RustyBertrand @Snowshadow

In the sense that there are good and bad people, and smart and maybe stupid ones?
Which is true... and there is behavior, education and genetic heritage too.

Voilà, the circle of life...

One of the most educated nations orchestrated the Holocaust in the last century...

Smart does not necessarily mean good, just like stupid does not mean bad...

RustyBertrand,

@xs4me2 @Snowshadow
And the cycle of violence continues.

xs4me2,
@xs4me2@mastodon.social avatar

@RustyBertrand @Snowshadow

There has never been lasting peace... a worrying fact.

RustyBertrand,
xs4me2,
@xs4me2@mastodon.social avatar

@RustyBertrand @Snowshadow

Guess that nails it… and that sets us apart from the rest of the species on earth…
Unfortunately.

RustyBertrand,

@xs4me2 @Snowshadow

It could be a simple as people who have peaceful Neandertal DNA vs those who don't. IDK?

xs4me2,
@xs4me2@mastodon.social avatar

@RustyBertrand @Snowshadow

Genetic heritage but also social context makes us human and yes it varies…

Evolution rewards the most successful strategies.

RustyBertrand,

@xs4me2 @Snowshadow
Nope. Social Darwinism is fascism.

xs4me2,
@xs4me2@mastodon.social avatar

@RustyBertrand @Snowshadow Evolution is a fact… just like fascism.

RustyBertrand,

@xs4me2 @Snowshadow

Yeah, but evolution is biology, not sociology.

xs4me2,
@xs4me2@mastodon.social avatar

@RustyBertrand @Snowshadow

Even those are intertwined… behavior vs abilities…

Viz. aggression has a purpose in survival hence it will be inherited.

Like white fur with icebears (…).

As in, those that do not have the ability simple die out…

libramoon,
@libramoon@mastodon.social avatar

@RustyBertrand @xs4me2 @Snowshadow

all people suck
but not all the time
and some much more than others

xs4me2,
@xs4me2@mastodon.social avatar

@libramoon @RustyBertrand @Snowshadow

Great observation ;)

RustyBertrand,

@xs4me2 @Snowshadow

I have no idea what's going on, it's dreams mostly. My spatial awakening came when I had measles. Fever dreams.

🎶When I was a child I had a fever
My hands felt just like two balloons
Now I've got that feeling once again
I can't explain you would not understand
This is not how I am🎶

Some kind of "enlightenment" experience? Post viral brain fuckery?

Yes, the weird hand thing lasted for years afterwards.

Who knows? Our interface with reality is quite limited.

xs4me2,
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@RustyBertrand @Snowshadow We are part logic, part feeling, part intuition and part biological machine... there is much to learn and there is much not so well known...

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