foone, 1 month ago

how much more experience do I fucking need?

foone, 1 month ago

admittedly, this IS java. that's like only a simple app and a half.

hello world in java is about 4,000 lines, I think

dannotdaniel, 1 month ago

@foone also.. in Java, one writes "goodbye cruel world" instead.

so that's already 8 bytes longer in the best POSSIBLE case

dannotdaniel, 1 month ago

@foone I'm a little rusty but first you create a SadnessFactory

gregly, 1 month ago

@dannotdaniel @foone I believe before that you must create an EmotionFactoryFactory, and initialize it with a SadnessInterface

BoydStephenSmithJr, 1 month ago

@foone "Hello, World!" in Java is traditionally 5 or 7 lines.

package Hello

public class World {
public static void main(String args[]) {
System.out.println("Hello, World!");
}
}

Using the unnamed package saves 2 lines.

What's hyperbole?

apicultor, 1 month ago

@BoydStephenSmithJr @foone Ooh, someone's feeling a bit salty today.

BoydStephenSmithJr, 1 month ago

@apicultor @foone Yeah, I am in a bad mood. I should work on that.

lewiscowles1986, 1 month ago

@BoydStephenSmithJr @foone
I took the original as hyperbole for comic effect

But in reality if we're going down this route, in modern Java, you don't even need a class

void main() {
System.out.println("Hello Wold!");
}

needs:

javac --release 21 --enable-preview HelloWorld.java

java --enable-preview HelloWorld

Nothing useful will be built this way, but it's come a long way since needing to define classes for callback handlers. I Like my dislike of Java to be based on current failings.

BoydStephenSmithJr, 1 month ago

@lewiscowles1986 @foone Neat! I haven't used anything never than 17. TIL.

lewiscowles1986, 1 month ago

@BoydStephenSmithJr @foone
It's less than a year old and as you can see is behind some flags.

I Don't use Java if I can help it at all; but I'm never against good ideas, or the "punchers chance" any language or technology can have.

The real win here is from lightweight scripting languages, which popularised heavy syntax, low boilerplate. But the trade-offs are also likely in customisation and tweaking you can do with boilerplate.

gryzor, 1 month ago

@BoydStephenSmithJr @foone isn't it even less in Java 21 where you don't need the outer class anymore? https://docs.oracle.com/en/java/javase/21/language/unnamed-classes-and-instance-main-methods.html