takash,
@takash@noauthority.social avatar
wjmaggos,
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@takash

while I agree that the second image isn't great, "don't go out of your way to hurt me" is where you're wrong imo. we can't live in a society with all the stuff we take for granted with the level of absolute freedom that libertarians demand. the question is how to do this best.

the best animal to represent a libertarian imo is the house cat. acting like they are tough and independent and better than others, while only able to live so well because of so many others.

JimmyWalnuts,
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@wjmaggos @takash Collectivists who believe the state will provide for them remind me of chickens.

https://youtu.be/aq-9-XfPzwM

It's not a terrible life, it can even be a comfortable one as long as you're useful but it isn't a free one. I'd rather be the farmer on the homestead in this scenario. But that brings things back to the state dictating how you run your farm and everything else in your life for the greater good.

Maybe I should've had a career in politics. They make out pretty nice.

wjmaggos,
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@JimmyWalnuts @takash

you paint a black and white world, but it is gray. nobody wants everything dictated. it's entirely appropriate to have disagreements over how much government should do. I have no problem with minarchists generally.

my issue is with ancaps who are either lying or misunderstanding what that would mean for most people, and then advocating not voting or fighting the state. they won't ever get the world they want but will hand more power to corps and rich jerks along the way.

amerika,
@amerika@annihilation.social avatar

@wjmaggos @JimmyWalnuts @takash

AnCap is another Utopian idea like egalitarianism.

Minarchism is great, but tiered hierarchy more realistic.

eriner,
@eriner@noauthority.social avatar

@amerika @wjmaggos @JimmyWalnuts @takash you two statists crack me up.

amerika,
@amerika@annihilation.social avatar

@eriner @wjmaggos @JimmyWalnuts @takash

Monarchism is your only viable alternative to statism.

eriner,
@eriner@noauthority.social avatar

@amerika @wjmaggos @JimmyWalnuts @takash the fact that you can’t see that they’re the same thing is pretty hilarious.

wjmaggos,
@wjmaggos@liberal.city avatar

@eriner @amerika @JimmyWalnuts @takash

you guys both take advantage of a society that clearly isn't either, while having the option to move. but I'm glad we here protect your right to tell us how wrong we are. that wouldn't happen under either of your systems.

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