cstross,
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Deeply telling about how far the Overton Window has shifted in 40 years that Ronald Reagan took a harder line with Israel than Joe Biden, never mind Mitt Romney.

(But then, per wikipedia Romney was best buds with Benjamin Netanyahu at university. So this tracks.)

graydon,
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@cstross US elite consensus was not pro-apocalypse during the Reagan presidency; most evangelicals, never mind American Christians broadly constructed, did not believe that these are the end times and it wasn't anybody's policy to hasten those events. (One of Reagan's secretaries of the Interior was roundly mocked, even form the right, for an assertion that the world was going to end soon so restraint and conservation were unnecessary.)

asayeed,
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@cstross bibi is part of the social circle of politicians and thinktankerati who brought us the Iraq war and its aftermath, and people somehow fail to realize that it's not an accident that the same thinking and behaviours are being repeated

cstross,
@cstross@wandering.shop avatar

@asayeed Bibi is a wholly-owned subsidiary of the US neoconservative movement … or vice versa: it's hard to tell which end is the tail and which is the head. I really hate to apply the word "evil" to a human being, but Bibi is one of the exceptions to that rule.

blogdiva,
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@cstross i don't think Biden has ever found a fascist he hasn't liked¹. maybe Putin... maybe. he's the kind of machiavellian that thinks he's outsmarting them with his 3rd-way magic. triangulation is a cult, right up there with tech optimism and whatever the fuck that cult behind AI is called. it's the Clintonian attempt at "kindler, gentler" fascist realpolitik. the older i get, the more i hate Bill Clinton for successfully selling fascism-lite to the masses.

¹ Sturm Thurmond was his mentor.

cstross,
@cstross@wandering.shop avatar

@blogdiva Your google rabbit-hole search term for the next week is "TESCREAL". Follow it all the way down and you run into a variant Russian Orthodox Christian heresy in the 19th century (which gave us the Space Settlers Society, the AI Singularity, and a whole lot more). It's a wild trip! (I climbed out of that rabbit warren about two decades ago and I can't believe people are still falling for it, but …)

djr,
@djr@union.place avatar

@cstross

And brought in a ban on arms exports to at the same time. Perhaps a policy that could adopt!

Lazarou,
@Lazarou@mastodon.social avatar

@djr @cstross oh wow!

cstross,
@cstross@wandering.shop avatar

@Lazarou @djr Starmer is to the right of Thatcher. Has been, all along.

rgs,
@rgs@metasocial.com avatar

@cstross “Israeli Prime Minister Menachem Begin said Sunday President Reagan 'hurt me very deeply' when he described a massive Israeli airstrike on Beirut as a 'holocaust' during an angry phone call.” — https://www.upi.com/Archives/1982/08/29/Begin-says-Reagan-used-word-holocaust/3133399441600/

cstross,
@cstross@wandering.shop avatar

@rgs Yes well, some of us haven't forgotten that Begin started out as a terrorist. (And Bibi chose to walk in his footsteps.)

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