Wait, so of the five apps they will “let” you uninstall now, one makes little sense to have in the consumer edition (remote desktop - which is effectively enabled in Pro only) and one is getting deprecated (Cortana - bye bye!).
It sure took them a while, but they seem to finally allow folks to personalize their experience. I'm not going to complain about it, though – this is definitely a good change.
Not far enough. It’d be lovely if I could scale Windows down to almost 7 gigs or so (what windows 10 is, probably should be lower) But the thing is Windows in general is just a bloated piece of crap that continues to grow.
Very few people bother removing all the default apps in the first place.
The type of high caliber nerd to care about a pre installed app that sits dormant and uses a few MB of storage probably already uses remote desktop often enough they’d want to keep it.
Remote Desktop is dead. Azure killed it. TeamViewer is the replacement (and yes you have to pay for it) or you pick another third party vendor for your RDP needs.
Scammers notably of course, but it’s Microsoft’s sanctioned solution to them removing RDP capability with Azure. I’m super interested in finding out what cut they get or how much TeamViewer payed for that.
The only exposure I have to windows now is in an Amazon virtual environment so I want aware of this. It seems strange seeing as RDP is a simple and robust solution… Unlike TeamViewer.
“Are you suuuuure you don’t want to use Edge? Are you suuuuure you don’t want it to be the default handler for .pdf and .svg files? Are you sure? Are you sure you’re sure? Just in case, we’ll pin it to your start menu again and put a shortcut to it on your desktop. Just until you’re sure.”
Apple’s starting to get more and more into this. Safari pesters you and nobody wants NEWS/Stocks/AppleTv App, Weather, etc. But you can’t uninstall them :(
If only it were that easy. You have to disable SIP basically permanently if you want to do that and I’m not confident enough to do that quite yet, much as I do love to live dangerously. Maybe someone who understands this all better might chime in on the tradeoffs or risks/benefits.
I’m kinda shocked that it didn’t work (tried it)! From what I’ve come to understand, the system won’t boot after removing a stock app since the checksum of the system partition changes. Whilst I’m in favour of keeping the OS healthy that way, some of the stock apps should definitely not have been included in that partition. However, today I learned!
I got so annoyed with the fucking shortcut reappearing that I put it in one corner of one monitor that I hardly look at so it never appears on my main desktop monitor.
I put it in one corner of one monitor that I hardly look at so it never appears on my main desktop monitor.
lol I did the exact same thing. That and all the unnecessary crap my work installs that I will never use but can’t even uninstall the damn shortcuts they slap on my desktop are all jammed in the corner of a monitor off to the side.
I don’t know about Windows 11, but my Windows 10 instance also reverts my “fast startup” setting on every major update. I know this, because my PC’s motherboard does not work with “fast” startup and instead takes about half an hour to get from POST to desktop when it’s enabled. Suffice to say that I know when Microsoft changes this setting behind my back. I have it disabled for a reason, fuckheads.
I think Fast Boot is more about screwing up anything third party.
If it’s on, it bollixes up the wireless card if you reboot into Linux. But even without dual-booting, it seems to leave USB devices active that I don’t want (specifically a USB->serial adaptor with a peripheral danging off of it)
"As possible" is a key concept here. They'll want to avoid anything illegal or likely to get them sued.
You realize that there are many big companies that use Windows that have a ton of proprietary information on them, that would go completely nuclear on Microsoft if Windows started leaking that information into an AI-training project?
Those companies likely pay for the enterprise version which doesn’t have all that garbage. I guarantee you that Windows for home users is mining as much data as possible.
Microsoft has done things multiple times that were blatantly illegal, and a couple of times ran afoul of governments, yet they still did new illegal things after that - as well as going right back to doing the things they were busted for before. There’s no evidence that they are concerned with anyone suing them or ‘going nuclear’ if they aren’t even worried about nation states that have come after them before.
"training on literally everything you do on the computer and reporting it all back to Microsoft" is rather a big jump from "report lots of telemetry data."
I'm not saying people shouldn't be paying attention, but this thread is jumping straight from "there's a potential risk here" to "OMG Windows is spyware, delete everything!" There's already a lot of hysteria surrounding AI, let's not go nuts without some kind of actual reason.
"now now, calm down everyone. Let's see what the Orphan-Crushing Machine really does before we start getting upset. Just because it is fully capable of (and seems exclusively designed to) crush all orphans doesn't mean it is actually going to crush ALL the orphans. Probably just a few orphans really."
There is a reason Microsoft stopped caring a long time ago that it is so easy to install and use Windows without paying for a key. You can STILL use any old windows 7 key you have to active windows 10 and 11. You can use the OS nearly in it's entirety (as far as home users are concerned) without even doing that. It is because Windows is no longer Microsoft's biggest product, the user is.
Just like Cortana, however, there will be a way to disable it via Group Policy somehow. That’s because government institutions that use Windows will not be happy with there being a feature in the OS that is capable of listening to a microphone and transmitting what it hears to a third party. I know Cortana can take voice commands, and I’d doubt their AI thingy will be much different in the user facing implementation.
They always knew. When the time comes they’ll force everything back with even more bloatware and even less freedom to choose because that’s the corpo way. This is just another long-term power grab.
Every two windows version is a disaster. 95 nice, 98 sucked, XP was great, vista was a flop, 7 wow, 8 eurk, 10 marvelous, 11 is shit… They don’t learn. But this time the goal is to make more money through adds, widgets and preinstalled bloatware.
95 was middling just novel, OSR2 was actually good. 98 was ok, 98se was excellent ME was a complete unmitigated disaster 2000 was excellent in all shapes XP was horrid, SP2 was good
The rest about right but honestly i think it’s just that the second SP is when Windows gets good, not that every second one is good.
I ignore them. Since January 2022 I’ve used exclusively macOS & Linux and you can’t go wrong with that. macOS for my daily driver work laptop (M1 MacBook Pro) and Arch Linux for my home server, though I do enjoy using it a lot for work and if this mac ever stops working I will definitely build a framework Linux laptop. Nothing comes close to FoSS, don’t have to put up with most of this proprietary business-oriented software.
I use Arch (btw) on my daily driver too, but I recently switched to Mint on my server. Too much of a hassle to constantly update on Arch. Though I do miss the AUR.
M1 MacBook. I’m using it right now. I have an ungodly number of tabs open in both Chrome and Edge. Photoshop is apparently open for some reason. Also steam and 5 other apps.
The thing is like 3 years old and doesn’t even stutter waking up. Idk what this thing is made of but I would genuinely believe it if they came out and said it’s alien technology.
a beta build of Windows 11 in the Canary Channel includes the option for the first time to uninstall the Camera app, Cortana app, Photos app, People app, and the Remote Desktop client.
IK I was just poking fun at windows, but the average user (a grandma or other non-tech literate person) won’t know it even exists, plus it doesn’t resolve the issue that, aside from a few maybe legal scripts, you can’t uninstall edge. Still a step in the good direction though.
Fun fact: Every Windows command line command actually just spams xdotool through the X11 server on WSL in order to do the equivalent action through the Windows GUI.
Oh. Funny. I was actually wondering when I posted this if anyone would take me seriously— Though I was imagining my abusers pretending to take it seriously in bad faith in order to hurt my credibility, and then how I would then have to explain myself to well-meaning people who might just be less familiar with the Linux-side systems I mentioned.
I was joking. Saying cmd.exe uses WSL→X11→xdotool→GUI to operate is a bit like saying “Every Toyota is secretly powered by a tiny little Honda with a tiny little man driving on a treadmill that’s connected to the wheels under the hood”. (xdotool is basically just a keyboard and mouse macro thing— So maybe you can imagine how silly it would be if you typed in cd or ls/dir or whatever and it just took over control of your mouse and clicked on the “File Explorer” from the “Start Menu”.) It would be such an absurd and Frankensteinian design that I find the thought of it intrinsically funny.
uh ok. it was… strange indeed. Couldn’t wrap my head around that wsl… you really left me confused ah ah. also, I couldn’t catch all of the joke complexity in more than one glance ah ah. oh god, gotten really slow…
That’s the Windows 95 lawsuit all over again. They forced internet explorer on people, got sued for creating & exploiting a monopoly, lost, and had to offer people the chance to remove it.
They claimed it’s integral part of the OS, and so were forced to un-integrate it.
I’m sure they will find a way to give users a choice to get rid of Edge, if they really wanted to were forced yet again.
I’m a CG artist and I dual boot Fedora on my workstation and run it on my file/license server. I’m very familiar with Linux and it’s great for a lot of things.
A ton of my software runs much better than on windows and I would stay in it if I could, but unfortunately I have software needs that don’t run on Linux and can’t work in a VM in full capacity.
I’m sorry, but “I dual boot Fedora,” has to be one of the most hipster/nechbeard sounding phrases I’ve ever heard. Not to besmorch your choice at all, just the way it sounds is hilarious.
I’m sorry, but “I dual boot Fedora,” has to be one of the most hipster/nechbeard sounding phrases I’ve ever heard.
First of all, if you want to insult someone, at least get the spelling right.
Secondly, there’s nothing “nechbeard”-y or hipstery sounding about it at all. It’s a tool. You use tools to do work.
If you want to assign some weird social construct to it to validate your own choices, that’s fine. Just keep those opinions to yourself because no one cares about them, and they make you look small.
When I said I don’t besmirch the choice, I meant I didn’t think it was actually pretentious or obnoxiously awkward, etc. The phrasing just made it sound like a bit a tech-minded comedian would do to mock such people. I don’t think they are actually a hipster or a neckbeard, nechbeard, or neckbread, just that the wording was funny.
You know what sort of tom fuckery I had to get into to get my gaming laptop working? I had to find a sketchy windows 10 LTS IOT ISO, run some registry hack then find and install all my drivers just because the regular working consumer edition of windows is such a bag of bloat…
For hardware I paid for…! Next time I’m just going with system76 right out of the gate. I just kept reading reviews about things not working right or still being in development so I bought a mainstream laptop with a warranty.
A lot of linuxy or FOSS sort of stuff is still buggy despite being better than it was ten years ago. No one talks about it. Purism phone, pine phone, Linux gaming, the steam deck, etc. They all have major flaws or sometimes breaks in functionality. Where mainstream has breaks 1/10 even the best Linux setup has breaks 1/5 of the time minimum. And that’s great but it still sucks that you have to look elsewhere because mainstream is a monetization sponge in all senses of the phrase.
I use windows at work, and it’s the most annoying OS. so many small annoying behaviours that Microsoft will never fix. If it was a Linux dist I could fix those things, I can’t pull the source code for the windows window manager and change the stuff I don’t like. Linux gives me that freedom, and I love Freedom.
Windows is a cancer y’all let run rampant while worrying about side loading, App Stores and removable batteries.
Meanwhile MS has doubled down on their monopoly, all the while going all in on the “Windows as service”, which as many of you have discovered, is about ads and telemetry over actual improvements to the core OS.
Windows 11 was released in 2021. Like I said, Windows 10 had several major releases, so its age shouldn’t be counted from the first windows 10 (things like creators update, redstone update etc). Also, what kind of maintenance do you want besides security patches for Windows? Surely not some Cortana BS xbox game bar something something ad popup?
I have to use Adobe Creative Suite for my job. By have to, I mean have to, because I get client files that are in proprietary formats, and my RIP software is only available for PC. It doesn’t matter if I would prefer going back to XP, or even 3.1; that’s simply not an option for me professionally.
Also, my work station doesn’t belong to me, and you can be that if I changed the OS to a linux distribution I’d be looking for a new job pretty goddamn fast.
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