Crafter72,
@Crafter72@lemmy.world avatar

Ah finally, Windows and Cheap chinese android phone have something in common. Ads in their built in bloatwares apps.

Piece_Maker,
@Piece_Maker@feddit.uk avatar

Cheap chinese All android phone

bradboimler,
@bradboimler@startrek.website avatar

I would not say all some of us run Graphene OS with Google Play Services stripped from Android.

Piece_Maker,
@Piece_Maker@feddit.uk avatar

Well, that’s fair. You’re an absolutely miniscule minority of Android users though

bradboimler,
@bradboimler@startrek.website avatar

That is very true indeed but my battery lasts for 2 days though because of it so I’ll call that a win.

Churbleyimyam,

Where do the battery gains come from?

Hadriscus,

I would guess google play services

Jolteon,

I’m guessing it’s a combination of general optimizations, Google Play services & store not having the same level of background and network capabilities, and more control over background apps in general.

Churbleyimyam,

OK. I have no google services running but do not get amazing battery. Its probably because I have a couple of messaging apps awake in the background though. I tried self-hosting push notifications but didn’t get it working reliably.

bradboimler,
@bradboimler@startrek.website avatar

This is what I do I self host pretty much most of my services.

Churbleyimyam,

Cool, what’s your setup for push notifications? I do too but reached a stumbling block with push notifications, gave up and have been doing without them since. Not great for my phone’s battery life probably…

bradboimler,
@bradboimler@startrek.website avatar

So google play services on android along with Google store are installed in the root system the can basicly do whatever the want permission wise play services is always running in the background and is a huge battery drain by not having it installed at all you are gaining more battery life.

0x0,

Tbh so does my stock Xiaomi. I don’t have a google account on it though.

Crafter72,
@Crafter72@lemmy.world avatar

Consider most recent offering from china does not have Android One option, this statement is true. Few years ago Xiaomi sell several of their line up with Android One variant that strictly only contain Google Apps only.

As long as your phone have snapdragon soc, most likely the community have made custom rom for that model. But if you want something more hardened out of the box like GrapheneOS, you’re out of luck.

Burn_The_Right,

All android phone

Not Fairphones. Fairphones are ad-free, bloatware-free and privacy-focused.

Piece_Maker,
@Piece_Maker@feddit.uk avatar

Their mission is amazing but I’m not going to sit here and pretend any Google-laden Android isn’t also ad-laden.

Burn_The_Right,

The Murena Fairphones in the U.S. are de-googled. They have replacements for pretty much everything, including email. You can import your google contacts. You can import your google calendar into the de-googled calendar and access it from app or web just like the google version. The only google stuff on my fairphone is what I put on it myself. And I can still download and run every app on the google play store if I choose.

Piece_Maker,
@Piece_Maker@feddit.uk avatar

Murena Fairphone

That’s awesome, never heard of this! I was referring to the stock Fairphones, which are absolutely Google-filled. But if someone is reselling them with all that crap stripped then that project is for sure worthy of recognition.

KpntAutismus,

FP4 user here. while that is true, any android ROM with google services on it isn’t privacy-focused.

but i don’t want to miss out on clash of clans, so here i am using their bullshit spyware.

n3m37h,

Moto G60s, I can’t remember the last ad I have seen.

WhatsHerBucket,
@WhatsHerBucket@lemmy.world avatar

Don’t worry, I’m sure there will be “pro” version that you can pay extra for no ads.

melpomenesclevage, (edited )

How sure?

For how long?

Jocker,

Until there is a ‘pro max’ version

n3m37h,

Unlimited teir, please give us full access to your bank account to stop seeing ads, sorry telemetry CAN NOT be turned off

ADTJ,

This isn’t an ad, it’s a suggested result from one of our partners

Beaver,
@Beaver@lemmy.ca avatar

Linux never looked so good!

Norule6,

agreed. Now is the time to visit the linux community and figure out how to get started.

Beaver,
@Beaver@lemmy.ca avatar

Linux Mint is a good distro to try out!

kalpol,

This. Then if you want to expand your horizons, OpenSUSE.

Valmond,

Yeah starting with Mint and then go further if you want to makes sense.

CosmicCleric,
@CosmicCleric@lemmy.world avatar

Personally I would suggest Fedora with KDE.

It seems to me more robust with hardware support, it’s indirectly backed by a major company, it gets updates often to stay compatible for gaming, and one click gets you proprietary drivers/software support.

bradboimler,
@bradboimler@startrek.website avatar

100% agree been using Linux for 15 years and will never stop plus once you learn everything there is to know about how Linux works if something breaks odds are you can fix it yourself or report it with logs faster if you contribute your self as well.

melpomenesclevage, (edited )

Or templeOS.

gregorum,

i’ve been testing not using windows ever again. since 2004.

it’s great.

umbrella, (edited )
@umbrella@lemmy.ml avatar

thats been happening since win10

get linux if you are that bothered about this

systemglitch,

My windows 10 doesn’t have ads. Can it be disabled in 11 as well I wonder?

umbrella,
@umbrella@lemmy.ml avatar

they disabled the apps that did recently afaik.

i got tired of turning ads off on win10 and updates turning them on again.

Death_Equity,

That’s why I disabled updates in the registry after they updated me to windows 11. They can take my windows 10 when the sun dies and I will switch back to Linux, again.

Telodzrum,

Yeah, I had a recommendation to install the TikTok app in my Start Menu. It’s what moved me to Linux once and for all.

umbrella,
@umbrella@lemmy.ml avatar

yeah especially since now they are blocking the apps that disable that stuff

Kecessa,

And yet, I haven’t seen it once on any of my computers 🤷

VindictiveJudge,
@VindictiveJudge@lemmy.world avatar

That’s the magic of setting up a local account instead of a Microsoft account and actually turning shit off during the install sequence instead of just mindlessly clicking next. That said, I’m not sure you can do first time setup on Win11 with a local account. I know Win10 made it harder later on than on release. You can still set one up after the fact, but I’m not sure how useful it is on 11 since I refuse to install it.

Kecessa, (edited )

Also doing the setup as if your location is in Europe, you can still use the time zone and keyboard you want

Godnroc,

You can, it’s just got a lot of hoops to jump through. Easier in the pro version for work, but I just set the email to a@a.a and then it errors out before letting you make a local account.

shalafi,

You can skip the MS account, but it takes effort.

Do NOT connect to the internet, or you’re hosed and will have to start over.

SHIFT+F10 to get a command prompt.

cd oobe

bypassnro

It’ll reboot and now you’ll have options to skip the MS account for a “limited experience”. Once you get a desktop, connect to the internet.

TheGrandNagus,

Man windows sounds complicated. Why do you have to open a terminal and do weird hacky workarounds for things

melpomenesclevage,

Not even ‘for things’ just to kinda own your own computer that you paid for (til they patch that)

deafboy,
@deafboy@lemmy.world avatar

You also choose an English (international) as your language, to avoid the preinstalled crapware in the start menu.

umbrella,
@umbrella@lemmy.ml avatar

its on any default windows 10 install. unless you modded it.

Kecessa,

No mods, just setup as if I was a European

umbrella,
@umbrella@lemmy.ml avatar

oooh i didnt know it was better in europe. i would guess win11 ads wont happen to you either.

its full of ads here in south america, and probably most of the planet.

n3m37h,
KpntAutismus,

recently reinstalled win10 pro, located in europe using a local account.

haven’t seen any yet.

palordrolap,

Those ads have to come from somewhere, so a pi-hole ought to take care of them.

Actually, does Windows still have a functional /etc/hosts somewhere in its filesystem? If the ads are pulled from a small number of hostnames, entries in the hosts file routing them to 127.0.0.1 might be enough.

...and it's just technical enough that Microsoft probably wouldn't put effort into to circumventing it for the handful of users who did that.

generic,
@generic@iusearchlinux.fyi avatar

This is why I use Start11

CaptDust, (edited )

Not to worry MS is coming for shell customizations, too. neowin.net/…/microsoft-is-blocking-windows-11-bui…

Start11 will probably last a bit longer because it uses only documented APIs but I don’t trust em

Edit: there’s also the possibility these ads get injected straight into the official APIs, in which case start11 would just show them as well.

1984,
@1984@lemmy.today avatar

People who use windows probably don’t mind even. Everyone who uses windows at my workplace just gets used to the shit and don’t think about it.

Lemminary,

The tech savvy find or develop workarounds, at least, and we share our findings with the people we love

Bell,

Microsoft is the school bully who keeps shoving you and saying: “what are you gonna do about it?”

Milk_Sheikh,

Risk toying in the registry to kill it, of course 🏴‍☠️

paraphrand,

PC Master Race is fitting.

sentient_loom,
@sentient_loom@sh.itjust.works avatar

Ugly traitors.

Imgonnatrythis,

I know. Prior to this they were so aligned with user interests above all else 🙄

TheGrandNagus,

Microsoft has literally never been anything close to a good company for their entire existence. This doesn’t even make the top 10 for anti-consumer MS bullshit.

TropicalDingdong,

This is what computer brain interfaces are going to be used for.

daddy32,

Yes. Scary.

And before that, llms in many unexpected ways.

Ghostalmedia,
@Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world avatar

I’m ok with promoted spots in a store, but in the core OS UI, fuck that.

deweydecibel,

This actually touches on a major issue with digital content and software as a service compared to the old models, that people don’t seem to quite grasp.

It used to be you’d walk into a store, buy a thing, and leave. Businesses could only sell to you while you’re in the store. There was a clear delineation.

What we’ve seen over the last couple decades is the increasing invasion of the store into your home. These businesses don’t want you to ever leave the store. You are meant to be living in it, at all times. There can never be any true escape unless you disconnect from the internet and disengage with modern technology.

Illecors,

I agree in general, but would like to point out that it is possible to escape. Not completely, but I have managed to set up an environment where it’s mostly fine. And by mostly fine I mean not perferct, but using somebody else’s device makes my eye twitch.

tourist,
@tourist@lemmy.world avatar

who would click that

who clicks ads in general

have you ever clicked an ad (on purpose)

dual_sport_dork,
@dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world avatar

I have never, not once in my life, clicked on an internet or electronic ad. Even for things I’m ostensibly interested in. Jury’s out on just how much manically SEO optimized retail web sites on Google count as “ads,” I guess. But other than that: Zilch.

But someone somewhere must be clicking on them because billions of dollars are spent every year pushing the fucking things.

taiyang,

Some marketers believe it doesn’t matter if someone clicks as brand recognition has its own value. On the other hand, who hasn’t heard of Tiktok by now?

dual_sport_dork, (edited )
@dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world avatar

Of course marketers believe that, because it’s their job to give their clients hype hope.

Middle management usually wants to hear about conversions this quarter and especially ROI, not mindshare.

bandwidthcrisis,

I’ve seen Proton services mentioned so much here and in communities such as selfhosted that I went to their website today to check what they offer.

melpomenesclevage,

Proton is a linuxtool for game compatibility.nothing to do with the web company.

Which supposedly offers security but falls all over themselves sucking the dick of any security service willing to notice them.

danhab99,
@danhab99@programming.dev avatar

I’ve only ever clicked on one ad and that was for a cloud host I thought would be cheaper than Vultr. If anyone knows a managed k8s cluster cheaper than Vultr let me know plz.

BossDj,

I’m so skewed this direction that I’ll scroll past the sponsored version of the link in a Google search to click on the exact, unsponsored version. I don’t know why.

Rai,

There’s been malware pretending to be legit links that get pushed to the top by being sponsored links. It’s a great idea to never click on sponsored links.

ripcord,
@ripcord@lemmy.world avatar

Same for me and Amazon results

n3m37h,
nudnyekscentryk,
@nudnyekscentryk@szmer.info avatar

noone ever does – Microsoft, Google and Facebook must be faking their reports on how effective their advertisement platforms are in order to boost their sales. the sales of ads, not the advertised products

Rai,

If I found out, say, my partner or a close friend clicked on ads, I would lose some respect for them.

i_have_some_enemies2,

Underrated comment

Lemminary,

I have on search results, but it was for something that I was already looking for. The ad had the same link to the web page as the result below. 🤷‍♂️

cyberpunk007,

I intentionally skip these and click the normal link right below it lol. I also realized that I have clicked these in the past by accident because they don’t load… Since I block ads

Karyoplasma,

Not once. I did willingly click on a sponsor link from a YT video once tho, it was for a rice cooker. I ended up getting a different one, but still.

DaddleDew,

I right click them and then in the drop down menu that appears I click “block element…”

Imgonnatrythis,

That’s what they are testing. Hopefully you are just being silly. People click ads a lot, that’s why there are so many and it’s a multi billion dollar industry. They work.

BossDj,

Go into app or play store and sort by most downloaded. They’re pretty exclusively a list of games and apps that you find advertised.

I’m my circle, people are seeming to become more willing to admit they got something from an ad. I feel like there used to be shame behind it

The most frequent lately has been women buying their clothes from Instagram ads. The argument they have made is that they see SO MANY ads, the one they choose to spend money on was because they wanted it and that apparently is a solid vetting process. But this is people in my sphere, I dunno if it’s a thing.

I used a Google TV stick and for sick of the bullshit ads and switched to a simple launcher. In reddit and lemmy threads, there are always highly up voted people who are happy to get “popular recommendations”.

The generality, I feel like, is people are busy living their lives, don’t want to research and learn about everything in their life, and just go with what they see.

ObviouslyNotBanana,
@ObviouslyNotBanana@lemmy.world avatar

Tbh instagram is the only place I click all the ads. All because they’re so god damned weird.

I never buy anything though.

melpomenesclevage,

What they’re told to want. Wonderful. Won’t ever be nefarious.

BubbleMonkey, (edited )

It’s gotten really difficult to research products, speaking as someone who does a lot of it, so I don’t think it’s about not wanting to do it.

Go look for something like a good dehumidifier and it’s all seo-optimized bullshit barely hiding that it’s advertisements for cheap Chinese junk on Amazon. And nearly every link is like that. For pages upon pages worth of results.

It’s so so difficult to judge what’s actually legit info and what isn’t. So I don’t blame people for asking other humans for what worked for them. You almost kinda have to unless you know of good legit review sites for every product you might want or need.

elrik,

I’ve never clicked an ad on purpose. I use DNS to block all the common click thru domains for ads.

This move by Microsoft will undoubtedly result in more Windows PCs infected by malware as people find tools to remove the ads and some of those tools will turn out to be malware.

n3m37h,

Windows is malware, they can’t turn off the keylogger or telemetry

MrNesser,

Won’t be installing it.

SlopppyEngineer,

It comes pre-installed.

sentient_loom,
@sentient_loom@sh.itjust.works avatar

I wouldn’t know. The first time I boot a new PC it already has a Linux USB plugged in and I’m button-mashing the keys to boot to USB immediately.

bjoern_tantau,
@bjoern_tantau@swg-empire.de avatar

Again?

Lucidlethargy,

It wasn’t real the first time, so I’m going to assume this isn’t real, either.

The Linux fans keep making shit up, so I no longer trust them.

Lemminary,

How was it not real? Why are you blaming a tiny fraction of desktop users for the actions of an incredibly greedy corporation known to pull this shit? So strange

CaptDust,

It was real the first time it just didn’t get past the test audience. Now MS is fine tuning the ads and trying to find a balance subtle enough to avoid a full on riot. They’ll get it worked out don’t worry just consume

cerement,
@cerement@slrpnk.net avatar

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