sigmaklimgrindset,

Everyone else has done the in-depth design analysis already, so I’m gonna say what’s really on my mind:

They made him less fuckable. I would never put the new Captain Morgan logo on my “hall pass” list.

fhqwgads,

Best analysis in the thread.

taiyang,

Apropos of nothing, but I feel like hes from the same super hero universe as the Bounty lumberjack and the Mr. Clean guy.

fhqwgads, (edited )

Ok I’m in a waiting room super bored so forgive my ridiculous takes, but the second one is probably a better logo even if the design is worse in a bunch of ways.

So, first lets look at Morgan as a brand. It’s a known brand, but not exactly top shelf stuff. From what I can find, they seem to be trying to change that, moving into the ready-to-drink and doing a bunch of social media stuff. they’ve moved from using artificial vanilla flavor to real Madagascar vanilla which is definitely more marketable no matter if it actually tastes better or not.

So as part of that they’ve redesigned basically all their labels and that means they need vibe with the modern upmarket design trends which right now are to use more type and negative space, and to ape design from the era around the 50s and maybe 60s. It goes with the current retro packaging design trend but doesn’t alienate older people like the 70s based stuff, which is usually aimed at a younger market segment. It’s old enough to feel “classy” even if the customer is old.

As part of that, the large illustration doesn’t fit. Printing full color like that in the era it’s aping was expensive so it feels out of place, and you just don’t have space for it if you want a clean look. So it’s got to be way smaller. The old label has the illustration as basically the main focal point - it’s huge. The new one has it as a small design point. The illustration just doesn’t work at that size. On a little 50ml bottle it’s going to be like 4mm high. Here’s a photo I found.

https://i.redd.it/msm68t7kvfab1.jpg

The new one actually reads pretty similar even though it’s like half as tall and only uses 2 colors. When it’s on a bottle that small and sitting next to Admiral Nelson and Lady Bligh which still use big full color illustratons on their labels can you tell which one is which?

But here’s the thing, the captain isn’t even actually the logo. The logo is the name, it’s the same logotype. They didn’t change that. They changed the mascot. It’s pretty important to note that there’s a big difference. A logo basically is your branding. It needs to work at any size, in any medium, and be instantly recognizable. That generally means it needs to be pretty simple. The Morgan logotype works great as a logo, but the mascot until now really didn’t. You can tell because if you look around there are about 50 different versions because the big full color illustration doesn’t work more often than it does. The new one will.

With all that defense I will say there are a few kind of dumb moves. The treasure chest is clearly a terrible idea. Like, if they were swapping it in on the non-alcoholic lines it would be kind of great but on everything it’s dumb. And I definitely would have fought for a puffy shirt instead of the collared one, if nothing else than for historical accuracy - I don’t think you can even wear shirts if the era unbuttoned with a collar like that. Edit- honestly they might be going intentionally anachronistic so that you can “cosplay” as the captain easily. Do the pose, hard cut to the captain logo, it writes itself. Which would be kind of clever but if that were the case I might have pushed the whole thing to be slightly more androgynous.

Anyway, I keep seeing this take over and over again, that everything is moving to minimalist blobs for logos, and while sometimes there’s definitely a point (the cross branding for Google’s apps on Android come to mind) a lot of the time there done just like this - with two large copies next to each other. And when you frame it like that of course the detailed one will look better. But when your logo has to shrink to 32x32px on a crappy Android phone or be printed like 5mm wide in black and white the simpler one is going to look way better.

Anyway thanks for coming to my Ted talk I guess.

Tldr: the guy isn’t the logo he’s the mascot and the new one can be printed small.

interrobang,

I really dislike the collar shirt. I, too, suspect cosplay encouragement, but it really ruins the scallywag vibe

Daxtron2,

We found one lads, quick grab him before he slips back into the art cave

Passerby6497,

The new mascot looks so much worse on the small bottle IMO.

chiliedogg,

Fewer colors also makes it easier to reproduce in mediums where there’s a per-color expense, like shirts, embroidery, etc and works better when converted to greyscale. Keeping the same look across all merchandise is good.

Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In,

Not a rum drinker. I have no history with this brand.

If I had the choice of the two in the store, I would pick the new design.

exocrinous,

The bottle on the right looks more fun. I’d rather drink that one.

NigelFrobisher,

Tbh I’m going to continue buying The Kraken anyway, because Krakens are awesome.

TheRealKuni,

And because The Kraken tastes better.

MintyFresh,

This guy either rums or markets. Maybe both. Possible pirate and/or parrot and sabre enthusiast.

fhqwgads,
BeigeAgenda,
@BeigeAgenda@lemmy.ca avatar

This you? 1000014092

fhqwgads,

No but you could probably sell that at like the arts and crafts fair, to maybe some POWs, or like somebody’s dad…

TheRealLinga,

I’m somebody’s dad! I’ll take 3 please. And a painting of Trogdor

diannetea,

Come on, fhqwgads

RampantParanoia2365,

This is all true. But he still looks like David Arquette instead of Dustin Hoffman’s Hook. They could have retained his swagger even with a simplified look.

paraphrand,

Excellent breakdown.

jawa21,
@jawa21@lemmy.sdf.org avatar
Maggoty,

It’s really just that he looks depressed now. Shoulders back, hips forward, and it’s 100% better.

fhqwgads,

I wonder if people are getting that impression since it’s a normal 7 or 8 heads tall now instead of 9 which is what the old one looks like. Making it closer to a normal human would make sense if there’s aiming for cosplay / self-insert type marketing. The more I think about it the more im willing to bet that’s the angle.

exocrinous,

Well clearly these designers aren’t familiar with the Master Chief. 8 foot tall super soldier, self insert.

Anticorp,

It’s only better as a logo because it’s a vector image and can be printed on everything. It’s worse in every other way, and they could have vectorized the original Captain without making him a narrow shouldered dweeb.

zkikiz,

They’ve been editing him a lot too, comparing your bottle with the OP photo they removed half his cape and slimmed up his legs… for whatever reason they’re trying to reduce complexity and bulk overall. Maybe make him less “larger than life” and associated “toxic masculinity / XTREME” 90s-00s imagery going back to what, ya know, actual wrestlers and pirates and stuff would’ve looked like (minus the business collar)

JoMiran,
@JoMiran@lemmy.ml avatar

I plan to play my preview of Ironsworn: Sundered Isles this weekend and you bet your ass that the OG Captain Morgan graphic is going to be one of the NPCs at some point.

Good NPC (mentor?) or boss fight?

nytrixus,

To me the new logo honestly gives the impression that it’s older in a simple art style.

It could be worse. It could’ve been a non-captain in flat graphic with little detail with a disproportionate figure.

Titou,
@Titou@sh.itjust.works avatar

I hate this oversimplification trend with logo

Norgur,

The new one looks like he'd schedule a meeting to all agree on a timeline for the plundering of the next shore to "move forward"

ILikeBoobies,

What are you even saying

Norgur,

Idk, I just threw "Alright me lassies, let's hit dem shores and fuck up the place for wenches and mead, yarr!" into a "English to oversanitized middle management gobbledygook" translation tool and this is what it spewed out.

ThatWeirdGuy1001,
@ThatWeirdGuy1001@lemmy.world avatar

Old captain Morgan: “Alright lads there’s booty to be had!”

New captain Morgan: “I dear say chaps I believe it’s time to shedule our next swashbuckling outing!”

ILikeBoobies,

Now I get it

DrWeevilJammer,
@DrWeevilJammer@lemmy.ml avatar

Could have been worse - if they’d decided to redesign him in the 90s he would have just been a series of interlocking ovals, which was the style at the time.

https://lemmy.ml/pictrs/image/c6e9b243-5971-451d-89af-3d2951e53cf3.png

Prunebutt, (edited )

Theory: they wanted to reduce label printing costs by reducing the color palette to three distinct colors… Still could have done a better job with the logo, though.

fhqwgads,

Ackshually depending on exactly how they’re doing the printing the new label might be slightly more expensive if they’re doing all spot colors. But they’re printing with enough volume it probably makes basically zero difference.

Prunebutt,

Huh, TIL…

magic_lobster_party,

Of all places, rum bottles ain’t the place for flat design. One reason why flat design is often used is that it does well small as big, especially on a computer monitor.

Captain Morgan is a character that takes up the entire rum bottle. There’s never an instance where the Captain Morgan character is going to be as small as a fingernail.

And for some reason this designer felt the need to make the colors mute.

At least they really nail the cheap rum feeling.

kandoh,

Look at all the different ink colours in the OG design. Those all have to be printed with spot colour ink. Maybe their printer is mixing CMYK themselves, but for a diago brand I doubt it.

The difference in the Reds of the new design looks like it is just shading. Which means, aside from the gold, you can use the same red ink for the entire logo.

How much money is being saved not having to constantly buy and restock all those different inks? How much has the redesign increased the profit margin for each bottle sold?

magic_lobster_party, (edited )

That’s a valid point, but if cost of ink is a major concern then they really station themselves as the cheap rum brand.

fhqwgads,

You thinking they’re doing like a million spot colors for that illustration? Id bet it’s all process color. IDK though I don’t have a bottle to look at on hand. If they are that’s pretty wild.

marcos,

Retail printing something like the original label costs some 3 times more than the right… Making for a massive 3 or 4 cents difference on each label. Wholesale printing them has to be much cheaper, but the relative difference probably holds (so yeah, probably a fraction of a cent per label.)

Anyway, somebody probably saved a lot of money when you count each bottle for the lifetime of a printing machine. (Probably even more than they spent on the redesign.) And will get their bonus before the public has a bad reaction to the label.

kellyaster,
@kellyaster@lemmy.world avatar

new Spiced Gold label featuring the new, less fun Captain Morgan design

This is the new Spiced Gold label. They did keep the barrel instead of changing it to a chest, but overall it’s not exactly what I’d call an improvement. They had the equivalent of Dustin Hoffman’s Captain Hook as their logo and they replaced him with David Arquette

Edit: also, he’s holding his sword like it’s a cane. Wtf lol

The_Picard_Maneuver,
@The_Picard_Maneuver@lemmy.world avatar

It looks like he’s holding the guard instead of the handle. I don’t get it.

filcuk,

Can’t unsee! I wonder if it’s ai generated?

nxdefiant,
mihor,
@mihor@lemmy.ml avatar

What in the god’s name is this abomination?! Rum without alcohol? So, water?

variants,

Sugar cane water

mindbleach,

Children’s grog.

Kusimulkku,

Alcohol free rum?

Jesus Christ

fhqwgads,

Alcohol free uses the barrel instead of the chest. Come on, it’s right there.

Passerby6497,

Clearly the non-alcoholic version is what they consider the real treasure…

JoMiran,
@JoMiran@lemmy.ml avatar

…they replaced him with David Arquette.

Me: “Huh?” pinch zoom in “Holly fucking shit!”

Gullible,

Lemmy: “behold our immunity to nonsense culture wars.”

a cheeky little label redesign (for a brand many of you aren’t old enough to try)

Lemmy: “behold our unmitigable hatred and tremble, mister Morgan.”

Dufurson,
@Dufurson@sh.itjust.works avatar

Are you OK? Need a hug?

Gullible,

I’m good, these comments are just goofy. Especially for a stealth advertising campaign.

saltnotsugar,

Poor captain. The light is no longer burning inside him, but defiantly he stands.

blackbrook,

“Business casual” is really getting out of hand.

Semi_Hemi_Demigod,
@Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world avatar

This is why I prefer Admiral Nelson’s rum.

Also because it’s quite a bit cheaper.

mipadaitu,

Definitely a lower quality rum though.

Kraken if you want something a little better, or Sailor Jerry if you’re looking for something comparable in quality.

Though none of them are what I would call “premium”

Semi_Hemi_Demigod,
@Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world avatar

I’m mostly looking to get drunk for as little money as possible

RockstarSunglasses,

Calico Jack – different and sadly shittier historical figure, but the rum is damned drinkable for the price.

Semi_Hemi_Demigod,
@Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world avatar

Nelson was a huge proponent of slavery so I don’t know how much worse Calico Jack could be.

Brosplosion,

Throwing Appleton Estate in the mix cause their low end is a way better rum

Dagwood222,

I never heard of the brand, but I had heard the story.

I can well imagine people paying extra for corpse rum.

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