The state of Gaza’s hospitals: Surgeries without anesthesia and with only mobile phones for light. Vinegar from the corner store as disinfectant. 5,000 patients in a hospital built for 700, some sleeping on the floor. No power, no clean water, little fuel.
Except the person you're responding to didn't mention 40 beheaded babies. They mentioned murdered babies. And yes, Hamas/Islamic Jihad did murder babies. There are pictures.
Let's be honest, you're probably too far down the rabbit hole given your callous comment. But for those reading, stay critical of any claims or counter claims, and be careful to avoid the pitfall of cognitive dissonance.
Condemning Hamas doesn't mean you can't support innocent Palestinian civilians who are suffering. Condemning Israel war crimes, doesn't mean you can't also condemn the murder of innocent Israelis. The situation isn't black and white.
@Serdan ugh, I can imagine. This whole thing is so horrible. I hate how human rights abuses unfold and there's nothing I can do except raise awareness, pester my representatives (in my small, non-influential country) and donate to MSF.
ngl your comment inspired me to take a second look at the babies shit, apparently there was a whole thing of if the burnt baby picture was fake or not and i honestly can't make heads or tails out of it. ty for the snopes article.
Let's be honest, you're probably too far down the rabbit hole given your callous comment. But for those reading, stay critical of any claims or counter claims, and be careful to avoid the pitfall of cognitive dissonance. Condemning Hamas doesn't mean you can't support innocent Palestinian civilians who are suffering. Condemning Israel war crimes, doesn't mean you can't also condemn the murder of innocent Israelis. The situation isn't black and white.
i'm sorry if i came off dense, thickheaded, or rash; i understand that the situation isn't black or white. just a lot of people are trying to justify a free pass to genocide 2.1 million people and it's frustrating to see.
Small group? It’s their government. It’s far from a small group. I guarantee you they also have plenty of medical supplies, fuel, and food stored up in their terror tunnels. Of course they’re not sharing any of it with their civilians.
Living for decades under constant suffering and oppression leads to radicalization, this is old news and should be expected given how horrifically Israel has treated Palestinians. It doesn’t excuse the killing of Israelis of course, but similarly their actions don’t excuse or justify Israel’s ethnic cleansing.
Your response to civilians not being allowed food, water, or medical supplies while Israel bombs the shit out of them, including shelters and places of worship, is, “So release the hostages you fucking psychopaths.”
This is collective punishment, not much different from the holocaust. We don’t have to wait until “enough” die until at least some country places serious sanctions on Israel.
Israelis are actively mocking those they kill dead. They have Telegram channels where people gloat over photos of bodies. They are fucking psychopaths.
Stop trying to appeal to emotion when there’s enough suffering to go around. Nothing I said justified the killing of babies, in fact quite the opposite, you even bringing that up in response to me means you have no actual argument, you’re just falling back on reactionary buzzwords.
You realise that IDF has killed way more babies than Hamas, right? And not even now, historically. 50% of the population of Gaza is below 18 years. There are 4600 casualties on Palestinian side, meaning that at least 2300 are below 18. Now make an assumption about how many of them are babies.
Not to mention those prematurely born babies that depend on oxygen, and are endangered by the forceful power cut imposed by Israel.
Or is your point that Palestinian babies don’t count?
small group of militants, yes, but security camera videos showing non-uniformed Gazans joining the carnage on Israeli villages shows that it’s not an “isolated incident”
Yes sure, but what about the 1.5k children that are now dead? What did they do? Israel made no effort to discriminate.
The office said in statements Saturday that the death toll in Gaza since the October 7 Hamas attacks on Israel has risen to 4,385, including 1,756 children and 967 women. Another 13,561 people have been injured, the statement added. (source)
How many “war crimes” do Palestinians deserve to live and die in until we finally fully apply the idea of “never again”?
Israel has no interest in arresting these people and bringing them to justice. Instead they are committed to ethnic cleansing with their evacuation orders and constant killing of civilians. Half of the population of Gaza are children (so more than a million) who never, “voted” for Hamas and now sit in Gaza with no water and food supplies dwindling, ready to die any moment.
I’m sorry for all those victims but their deaths can’t justify ethnic cleansing and genocide and certainly not apartheid.
Note that Israel do arrest, judge and sentence the terror group members when it is possible to do so, like in Israeli villages or in the West bank. But since Gaza is a self managing autonomous entity - this is not possible (without great risk to involved officers).
The real question is how many settlers got effective sentences for killing unprovoked Palestinians or IDF soldiers killing intentionally kids who threw rocks on them. This is once again showing the double standards when coming to Palestinians.
Look, when press says kids throwing rocks, it sounds like they’re throwing marbles, while the fact is a) they’re pretty well trained in throwing using slings b) on some occasions these are huge pieces of cinder blocks - definitely capable of severe damage/killing if one gets hit on their head…
Only if they’re brown or they do something so egregious the international stage notices. Other than that it’s open season on Palestinians there and it has been for decades. They’ve literally shot the doctors at protests with no reprecussions.
The military Hamas leader Ahmed Jabari was quoted in the Saudi Arabian newspaper Al-Hayat as confirming that the prisoners released as part of the deal were collectively responsible for the killing of 569 Israeli civilians.
That’s like saying the Provisional IRA was the government of Northern Ireland. Yes they do have a political force but are better described as a paramilitary.
This literally says that it is the defacto government of Gaza. Just because another political body doesn’t agree doesn’t mean that they aren’t the ones controlling the day to do. They don’t have a democracy, which is on them to correct as well. Arab culture does not promote the type of mentality required to support Democracy. It’s just rugged tribalism where women are relegated to a form of slavery and children are indoctrinated to a culture of hate. That population was being regulated by Israel to provide order. They wanted independence from Israel and were unwilling to work on a means to assimilate. It was unable to form a productive society and was just breading terrorists.
well they should try to avoid civilian casualties at all costs but I also understand the need of attacking critical infrastructure of the Hamas, which is very hard because the Hamas is using its citizens as meatshields…they are also committing war crimes by doing that if you ask me.
So no, I have no “good or easy” solution for you. This war is fucked up beyond any recognition…for all parties involved!
The most uninformed and biased parroting can be found by people keep grouping both the West Bank and Gaza together under “Palestine”. That’s when you know they don’t have enough knowledge of the region or conflict to contribute anything meaningful to the conversation beyond parroting the words of hate groups and terrorists.
And by dependent upon them for resources you mean it’s an apartheid state that locked 2 million people up in an open air prison and has total control over their water and resources.
Why should they undergo ethnic cleansing and forced removal from their homeland to Egypt? Why can’t Israel just treat them like human beings instead?
Egypt has already accepted many many many Palestinian refugees, and it knows that if those Gazans cross over, Israel will lock them out and never allow them back in.
I don’t like the Egyptian president but at least they have been diplomatic and insistent on getting humanitarian aid into Gaza.
Surely their fellow Muslims would help them and not lock them out. What on earth does this have to do with anything? You know there are plenty of Palestinians and Egyptians that are Christians, Jews, and atheists, right?
What kind of shitbag do I have to be to only help people of my own religion and ethnicity. Pathetic.
Oh wait, isn’t that what Israel is basically? An ethnostate?
Muslim: Around 90-95% of the population. 2. Christian: Approximately 1-2% of the population. 3. Other or non-religious: The remaining 2-9% of the population.
I agree that ethnostates are not a good thing, but that is clearly what Palestine is, hence their ridiculous bullshit. Israel is a least making an attempt at being non-denominational in government. It is a safe haven for Jews, but it does not have a national religion and is careful to not make laws that raise one religion over another. The current administration is less tolerant of those rules and isn’t that great, but the conflict has been around longer than them. The whole homeland argument is so outdated. The Jews got pushed out by them many years prior. It’s been a back and forth for centuries. They need to share, but the Palestinians are mostly Muslim and are assholes. They are responsible for causing violence instead of brokering peace. They started a war on there home turf. They are the reason people are getting killed. Are you denying that they launch rockets are Israel from within their civilization areas because that shit’s well documented.
Aaaaaa you’re so wise! I bet everyone in your life just adores hearing you put the world to rights. And they don’t think you’re a self centered moron only concerned with sniffing their own farts.
It’s so strange how people do some mental gymnastics to think that Israel is completely justified in all of their prior and current crimes against humanity.
Heck, the freakin hostages and Israelies in hospital in Israel have publically ridiculed the government and the army, hence Netanyahu is bunkered down hasn’t visited anyone.
My take on it is that many of the people in the Palestinian territories have a backwards culture where women are relegated to home life and queer people are to be hung. This isn’t just a small pocket of their communities. These are the people in charge. They don’t just want land. They want to eradicate cultures that are different from theirs. Many peace talks occurred over the past half-century, but they always end because the Palestinians just want to get rid of Jews and anyone that doesn’t submit to their narrow worldview. These shitty people allow their leaders to shoot rockets at Israeli cities. They could come to amicable agreements, but don’t. This is what causes the apartheid-like conditions. They did it to themselves. They then decided to let their leaders declare war and are not paying the price. The bad guys are filling their homes, that they know are targets, with women and children. Many people use Islam to justify monstrous actions. They think that all other ways of life are an affront to their beliefs. If the people of Gaza want to continue to exist, they need to get rid of their terrorist government.
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