This tells us all about the Israeli definition of “military target” used by the Israeli Spokesperson in their press conferences when he says they only bombed “military targets”.
The sleazespeak of the Russians when it comes to Ukraine was disgusting, and the Israelis manage to be even worse, by a significant margin.
Serious question: What are the chances that the family is being targeted versus just being in a building they happened to bomb along with so many others? The article doesn’t address that, and it’s hard for me to believe that Israel would even know where this guy’s family was. I would think if their intelligence was that good, then they should be able to locate some of the hostages, right? Just for context, I think both sides suck and don’t care to hear any vitriol from either side. I’m really only interested in discussing if there is any evidence this was a targeted attack vs happenstance.
I think it’s a very fair question. I find it hard to believe they bombed a building/area for a single journalist’s family. Especially if the family was in the area that Israel said to evacuate, which would raise questions on why the reporter thought leaving his family in an area explicitly labeled as dangerous was a good idea…
I think most of the folks posting here read it as fact that Israel specifically targeted this guy family to scare others for reporting against Israel. It’s like “see!?, I told’ya !”
Did you even open the article? Just read the first paragraph.
Today, Al-Jazeera Bureau Chief Wael El-Dahdouh was reporting live in Gaza when an Israeli airstrike killed his wife and two children. Now, other journalists also fear their families could be targeted solely for them doing their job.
Have you even read my post?
It’s not about whether guy’s family died at all but wether his family was specifically targeted and wither the motive was to scare jurnalists.
You said “most people here read it as fact that Israel tarteted his family” I’m saying well yeah the article stated it as fact that they targeted his family I just want to know if that is likely or not because to me it seems far fetched.
Yeah, that’s what I’m saying. It makes less sense they specifically targeted random journalist family than the version that his family was killed by being at the place that was shelled. It sad nevertheless, though.
Yes of course and I’m posting on that article to question the claims it’s making. OP stated that the implication was not that the family was targeted but if you read the article it very clearly is. I want to know if there are any supporting facts because it seems unlikely to me.
Pretty much zero. Also last thing Israel needs is another bad publicity ATM when the war crime accusation is hanging in the air. They would have to be plain dumps and geniuses at the same time. The guy will now report 10x more things against Israel then before and all media around the world will copy paste this article without veryficatiom to get readers. Shocking news are best for making money after all.
This tautology allows accusations of antisemitism to be weaponized, particularly against people who speak up about Palestinian rights — sometimes in ridiculous ways. Source
I don’t see the correlation so I don’t understand the quiestion. Are Palestinians not allowed to self determine themselves in their Gaza strip without ideology that would affect basic humans rights of others aside from Hammas influence? Please elaborate.
I don’t know I was asking the question if they can do it. Because i didn’t get answer to my question here about whether they are they allowed to do it or not .
Well kinda, I asked if they are not allowed to do that in a way that won’t turn into violence .
You know self determination is very general term. I could self determine at the expense of you or I could do it in neutral or even beneficial way to you. But I’m merely asking if they are not allowed.
Do you mean shelling neighbors or democracy ? And again aren’t Palestinians allowed self determination without violence ? To me you seem to have reason to think they aren’t. I’m just trying to figure out what is the reason.
Not sure. I’m just asking plain simple question, that is: "Aren’t Palestinians allowed self determination without violence ? "
Maybe (American Heritage) definition of self determination could help ?
Determination of one’s own fate or course of action without compulsion; free will.
Freedom of the people of a given area to determine their own political status; independence.
Determination by one’s self or itself; determination by one’s own will or powers, without extraneous impulse or influence.
Determination by one’s self; or, determination of one’s acts or states without the necessitating force of motives; – applied to the voluntary or activity.
The ability or right to make one’s own decisions without interference from others.
The political independence of a people.
Determination of one’s own fate or course of action without compulsion.
Government of a political unit by its own people.
source: The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, 5th Edition.
I think you completely missed the point of it and maybe there was a misunderstanding because the things you were asking and commenting on weren’t making sense and seemed like you were pulling my leg to say some bullshit (maybe you assumed I was pro-Israeli? Or maybe pro-Palestinian?) maybe you missed the whole Israeli self determination thing in history? Idk.
I’m not trying to run away from anything. Your question doesn’t make sense or is awkwardly phrased.
You can ask again as long as it makes a bit of sense lmfao
Just like the Jewish people have the right to “self determination”, do Palestinians as a nation have the same right to self determination?
I asked this simple question to better understand where you are coming from.
Yeah can’t they do it without affecting anyone’s basic human’s rights ?
What are you looking for behind it is beyond me. Either they can or they can’t . Some people think nothing stops them, Some people say they made a democratic choice to vote for Hammas others think Israel is totalitarian regime, others think evil west oppresses them.
Okay, before I give an answer (which is obviously yes anyway), what is the purpose of asking whether or not they can do it without affecting people’s basic human rights? What made you assume or think this was even part of the original question? And who do you think would be affected by a group of people being given bsck their full rights?
If you don’t want to answer that that’s fine but my answer is “yes but dort go around pulling people’s legs, clearly this question is loaded”.
What made me ask about violence ? There are mutliple things but i guess most fresh one is October 7th music festival. Another one would be of-roof-trowings. Also son of Hammad leader testament. etc.
I have not asumed you asked about it. I asked this question to better understand your POV.
Do you mean who would be negatively affected by making democracy in Gaza? It’s simple, Hamas would lose their position of power. (No more of-roof-trowing)
What is with your obsession with legs pulling. Keep on mentioning it all over. If question is clear, give clear answer or refuse to answer it. Instead of running around like with hot potato. It looks like you trying to mislead me or something.
Not to say it’s not true- but I’d wait a few days till we have more info before saying it absolutely did happen- see the hospital or church bombings for example.
Oh come off it. You’re all up and down these posts repeating lies about Hamas using human shields or how driving the civilians out of their homes in mass does not constitute ethnic cleansing.
Btw here’s the actual definition of “ethnic cleansing”
the mass expulsion or killing of members of an unwanted ethnic or religious group in a society.
You argued with me that it’s totally legit that the IDF isn’t letting journalists verify footage of supposed Hamas atrocities but the IDF is cool with showing that footage to journalists in a private setting where they’re not allowed to record anything.
You whine constantly that Al Jazeera isn’t legitimate but you haven’t posted a single source to debunk any of their reporting.
No, you moron, you literally can’t read. We didn’t argue that, and the post history is there. The IDF allowed journalists to screen 43 minutes of footage of the Hamas masacres and war crimes. You can’t fucking read and claim they didn’t, as a response to an article saying they did. LOL.
What you were mad about is not being able to watch the deaths yourself, and you were mad that Hamas, the terrorists you love and support can’t use that footage for recruiting and celebration.
The beauty is that it doesn’t matter what lies you tell, the thread and history are there. Just like Boomer you two have either a sick fetish reveling in the horrors of this conflict and constantly spread lies and disinformation. I just appreciate the trail that one can review via your profile and know how disingenuous and vile you really are.
Israel has already been caught lying about Oct 7th. I was pointing out that not releasing the video or allowing it to be recorded means that no one can verify if the footage is legit. You keep insisting “they reviewed it”. I don’t know what you think you were arguing but you were in fact arguing that it is fine that Israel is not allowing journalists to verify evidence (or that a 3rd party had actually already verified it).
What you were mad about is not being able to watch the deaths yourself
I made a dumb joke about the snyder cut and you interpreted it in the least charitable way insisting that I personally want to watch the footage to celebrate. Don’t be an asshole
It’s interesting that this fact check website heavily leans on what the ADL says. The ADL is highly problematic, and definitely biased against anything pro-Palestinian, so not sure what to make of this report.
I linked the wiki for the news site. It was founded by Pro-Palestinian Jews (Yes, they exist). All news is biased. You can decide for yourself if it’s factual.
Yeah, reading through the ADL reasoning, one of the articles they use to justify its accusation that Mondoweiss is antisemitic is actually discussing how ultra rightwing and ultra religious some of the recently elected candidates are, and to whom Netanyahu was trying to work closely with.
So an article discussing the election of 6 problematically hard right, ultra religios, Israeli Zionists, and their histories, beliefs and background, in ADL’s eyes is a negative anti-semitic article on all Israelis Jews?
You don’t think I checked it already. Mediabiasfactcheck labels it anti-Semitic, when it was literally founded by two Jews. Source. Stop dismissing sources just because you don’t like the facts they’re reporting. I like to believe people have media literacy, and can check sources themselves. They don’t need your “help.”
LOL, like you’re doing with mediabiasfactcheck, which is an acclaimed and recognized source.
I didn’t dismiss it because I don’t like the allegation. I dismissed it because it’s a propaganda site. Just go snag another source. Real stories will have lots of them.
The news came hours after Axios reported that Secretary Antony Blinken told U.S. Jewish leaders he asked Qatar to “turn down the volume on Al Jazeera’s coverage” of the Israeli genocidal campaign in the Gaza Strip, accusing the network of being “anti-Israel.”
Well this will certainly make them more enamored of Israel. Some smart psychology there.
reverse psychology only works on toddlers, when it comes to second guessing things. “you don’t actually like those carrots, do you?! and those PEAS. BLECK!”
even on toddlers… you’re lucky if it’s 50/50 that it works. You really should just learn to not over cook the vedgies
Exactly, Al Jazeera is owned by the Qatari royal family, guess where the heads of Hammas have been hiding? Qatar. So there’s no question Al Jazeera is a propaganda outlet at all.
However, still doesn’t excuse blowing up media representatives, even propagandists.
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