kbin_space_program

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kbin_space_program,

They swore up and down that Roundup and Glysophate pesticides are harmless to bees and things they werent supposed to target.

PFAS and PFOS chemicals were touted as harmless, even though the company behind them knew that was a bald faced lie.

kbin_space_program,

Remember when the Democratic party was responsible for creating and championing the ICC? (Bill Clinton)

Remember the outrage when Dubya and co then insisted that the US be given veto power over it, and the outrage from Democrats over that?

Because this Pepperidge Farm sure as fuck remembers.

kbin_space_program,

Exvept when it comes to die hard support for whatever insanity Israel's Likud party cooks up.

kbin_space_program,

Just a note on Trump WRT Israel.

The orange idiot got a lot of help and direction from Netanyahu in the 2016 election, including, allegedly, intelligence on the democratic party and Hillary Clinton acquired by Mossad. If you think he's going to do anything but help Netanyahu with his genocide you are delusional.

E.g.

Former President Donald Trump sent shockwaves through the Jewish American community and Washington when he said Jews who vote Democrat "hate Israel."

https://www.npr.org/2024/03/27/1240995103/trump-seeks-to-capitalize-on-bidens-frustration-with-israels-netanyahu

kbin_space_program,

Yeah, but I recall attending a gaming tournament where smash brothers had an entire gym to itself.

By day two it was so bad that the artists(mostly women) just outside the gym had moved their vendor tables away from the gym.

kbin_space_program,

Every major grocery store produces tons of food waste per day. The end of day throwaway from bakery and the reams of produce trimmings to keep the produce department looking perfect all add up.

kbin_space_program,

Or Musk decides that you don't need some part of your brain. Or worse, rents it out as server space.

kbin_space_program,

Yeah and Assad gassed and carpet bombed his own people.

This is not new. Syria was a multi-level proxy war between not only Russia-China and the west, but also between Saudi Arabia and Iran.

Also I'd be more surprised if the CIA wasn't behind the curtain accidentally creating terrorist groups.

kbin_space_program,

Well, for Turkey they also absolutely did not want the Kurdish people to have their own country bordering the Kurdish region of Turkey, given that they've been fighting for independence for a long time now.

kbin_space_program,

I believe the SAG(Screen Actors Guild) just had a big strike about AI likenesses without proper compensation.

kbin_space_program,

Open AI seems to have dealt with their massive legal issues so far by signing caught red handed agreements.

kbin_space_program,

Dropout.tv is what I dropped Netflix for and I absolutely don't regret it. They do Dimension 20 dnd shows as well as a number of comedy and skit shows. You can generally find a lot of the stuff on Youtube.

Keeping pet cats indoors would save millions of native animals and billions of dollars. So what's stopping us? (www.abc.net.au)

Broader adoption of keeping cats safe at home would have large benefits for cat welfare, human health, local wildlife and even the economy. So, should cat owners be required to keep their pets contained to their property?...

kbin_space_program,

That its only a symptom of the real problem and won't actually solve anything.

The animals they catch are weakened from pesticides.

kbin_space_program, (edited )

Https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8640698/

  1. We didn't know or study the effects of pesticides in various wild birds. And it varies wildly between species, with chickens not being a good general case. Also that birds are considerably more affected by pesticides than mammals.
  2. Simple logic. Housecats do not have access to deep woods or exist in large populations outside of cities and suburbs in North America, yet the populations are declining there. This implies that they are not the cause of the decline.
  3. This logic is backed up by https://www.birds.cornell.edu/home/bring-birds-back#:~:text=All%20told%2C%20the%20North%20American%20bird%20population%20is,declined%20by%2053%25%2C%20or%20another%20720%20million%20birds.

LWhich points out that it is a multitude of factors and that grassland species(i.e. farmland) are the most affected, with wetland and forest species being less affected.

  1. Further logic is that the decline is a relatively new phenomenon. But housecats killing birds is not new. Therefore something else is behind the decline, and simply keeping cats inside will not fix the issue.
kbin_space_program,

Equally, before the post-DDT pesticides(when the decline started), housecats didn't exist, never went outside and never killed anything.

/s

Go look at the other reply where I sourced my opinion.

kbin_space_program,

Say you didn't understand what any of those papers said without saying you didn't understand what those papers said.

kbin_space_program,

No it absolutely doesnt.

It absolutely states that birds are considersbly more at risk, and that we dont know how by how much. Try reading more than the intro next time.

I said that cats arent the problem, they're a symptom of it. That is a definition of a multifacted problem. That paper absolutely says the same thing.

The reality is that you could keep every housecat inside and it would not stop the decline.

kbin_space_program,

thats my point

If house cats were actually some kind of living natural disaster, birds would have driven extinct millenia ago. To solely blame housecats for the mass extinction of songbirds that have existed beside them for hundreds to thousands of years without any appreciable population effect is insane.

Also while DDT has its own host of issues regarding it building up in the food chain, my concern here is the post-DDT ones.

kbin_space_program,

Lol, Person points out logical flaws in only blaming cats and suggests the root problem is known problematic pesticides and herbicides that are doing things like creating the conditions for "colony collapse disorder" in bees.

Also I'm up to date on my booster shots.

kbin_space_program,

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lyall%27s_wren

Wrong. Feral cats, plural, leftover from the construction workers that built the lighthouse and facilities on the island, are blamed for the extinction.

kbin_space_program,

No. I am saying it is not solved and that articles like this are skirting the real problem, which is probably pesticides and herbicides.

The decrease in bird populations of North America is new phenomenon and has only started some time since 1970. Notably, a lot of the songbirds affected are grassland species that dine on insects, seeds and berries, all of which are covered in or have ingested pesticides at farms. And is known, though not well documented, that insect populations are also plummeting but at a much steeper rate that songbirds.

kbin_space_program,

Its a global problem. Its been best studied in North America, so I use those studies.

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