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Cripple. History Major. Vaguely left-wing.

A Filipino villager is nailed to a cross for the 35th time on Good Friday to pray for world peace (apnews.com)

A Filipino villager has been nailed to a wooden cross for the 35th time to reenact Jesus Christ’s suffering in a brutal Good Friday tradition he said he would devote to pray for peace in Ukraine, Gaza and the disputed South China Sea....

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CRUCIFY HIM! CRUCIFY HIM! CRUCIFY CRUCIFY CRUCIFY CRUCIFY

@FfarieOxide is correct, crucified prisoners typically died long before starving. You might enjoy this for some detail on attitudes and details of the punishment. Some religious commentary included, YMMV on that.

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There is always other options, you just have to take them.

lmao

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Yeah, we get so irate about the prospect of fascism. Silly us. We should be like the REAL enlightened leftists, and cheer fascism's rise on.

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Jesus fucking Christ. We're done here.

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But maybe if fascism wins this time, we'll magically get a left-wing government afterwards? It's like a pendulum!

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Nope. That’s on the candidate.

Anything but citizens accepting responsibility for their actions in a democracy. ANYTHING but that!

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Forgive me for seeing "Not putting fascism forward another ten steps" as better than "Putting fascism forward another ten steps".

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There is nothing saying a voter has to vote

No, there isn't.

But a voter not voting is still making a choice, and they are responsible for that choice.

The candidates aren't lords, and we aren't peasants. In a republic, CITIZENS are responsible for who they vote OR DON'T VOTE for.

There's no choice you can make where you lack responsibility. Whatever happens - it is our fault as citizens. If you can answer to your conscience in the case of a Trump presidency... well, gods help you, because I can't.

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Yes, it was the voters choice to say that neither of the candidates appealed to them.

In which case that voter is responsible for whichever one that won.

Refusing to act just means that you have endorsed the end result.

It’s not the voters fault if a candidate loses, it’s the candidates fault for not appealing to the voters.

It's the voters fault that whoever wins, wins. You don't get to cross your arms and get all huffy and say "Well, I wasn't going to vote for GENOCIDE JOE, but I don't like that Trump won! This is unfair!"

Your. Vote. Matters.

Citizens. Have. Responsibility.

If a company goes out of business is it the fault of the consumer, or of the company for not offering products the consumer wants?

I can't believe I have to say this in the context of a left-leaning discussion, but companies are not democratic societies.

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I say this as someone who donated over $1000 to Bernie in 2016.

Thank you for covering my poor 25$ donating ass in 2016 o7

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Which is why it’s up to the party to pick a candidate that can earn the votes to win.

Here I thought it was up to the voters to pick a candidate. Silly me.

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Okay, so your argument, then, is that Democratic voters are wrong for picking Joe Biden, not the DNC. Right? It's their fault.

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Thanks. Sometimes I don't feel 'left' enough, but ultimately, my sympathies are with those who want something better than this fucking hellworld. I just don't want to splatter our metaphorical brains all over the walls in the process and hand power back to even shittier oppressors.

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Zveno-SPB saw limited but successful combat use on the Eastern Front of World War II. In the opening stages, the Black Sea Fleet Air Force was tasked with destroying industrial targets in Nazi Germany-allied Romania. The most important of these was the King Carol I Bridge over the Danube which carried the Ploieşti-Constanța oil pipeline. After several failed attempts to destroy the heavily protected bridge with conventional bombers, the task was given to the Zveno squadron. As a combat test, it was decided to first attack the Constanţa oil depot. On 26 July 1941, two Zveno-SPB aircraft performed a successful attack on the depot in broad daylight with no losses. The fighters disconnected 40 km (22 NM, 25 mi) from the target and returned to the home airfield under their own power.[4]

‘Get on a plane’: Danish minister urged to meet Greenland coil scandal women (www.theguardian.com)

The Danish health minister should “get on a plane and visit” some of the thousands of women thought to be living with the consequences of being forcibly fitted with the contraceptive coil as children, Greenland’s gender equality minister has said....

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from their family.

Lmao.

Not just family.

It sucks and I’m sorry that happens to you, but it’s not anti-white. It’s another form of racism that only affects non-white people. Just because it comes from non-white people doesn’t make it anti-white.

So let me get this straight:

Denigrating someone explicitly because of their white ancestry is not anti-white.

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Does it happen to and genuinely negatively affect white people?

Yes, white people are negatively affected by being denigrated too.

Or are they specifically targeting you as a mixed-race person?

When you're mixed-race, often you're not seen as mixed-race. Often, you're seen as whatever race is most convenient to the prejudices of the observer.

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“Denigrated”? Sure. We’re talking about the specific oppression you’re talking about, and I don’t see any examples of this kind of racism affecting white people.

You... don't see any examples... of white people being denigrated for their ancestry...?

Like, it's obviously not on the level of anti-Black racism. But are you being serious right now?

And starting with “When you’re mixed-race” doesn’t really create the impression that this is a form of oppression that affects other people.

... I don't really understand where you think anti-white denigration to a mixed-race individual springs from if not anti-white sentiment. Like, by definition, here, mixed-race individuals are attacked in many cases because they're seen either as completely white, or as 'too white'.

Is it... only not okay to engage in anti-white racism if you're sure the person is of Pure White Blood(tm)? If I get called a cracker, should my response be "No, no, I'm mixed-race, I'm one of the cool ones"?

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If a black person called me a cracker it wouldn’t scare me very much because I know that I have the privilege of being white, and I know that, whether I like it or not, the entire white-supremacist apparatus of the state is likely to prevent me from having to deal with any serious oppression. Those individual people could still hurt me, but so could anyone. They are still far less likely to attack me because they know how dangerous that would be for them, but a white person attacking a black person is more likely to be protected.

... do you think racists often engage in in-depth calculus of their odds, or are they impulsive shitheads? Because in my experience, racists are the latter.

When you get called “cracker”, you know that you don’t have that apparatus behind you. You know that cops, the legal system, and myriad other racist things that you probably know better than me, are still going to treat you as non-white.

Or they might treat me as white.

So the “cracker” attack hurts because you’re being excluded from the community that would otherwise protect you when the apparatus of the state won’t.

No, that's definitely not it. The "cracker" attack hurts because it's an invalidation of who I am, or who I'm perceived to be. I don't expect my community to protect me where the state wouldn't. That's... not even close to my experience of expectations of community.

If I get called a cracker by someone who doesn't share either of my racial backgrounds, do you think that hurts... less?

I’m not trying to whitesplain this to you, that’s very much what you described when you called it “rage and absolute isolation”.

What you are describing is rage and absolute isolation, but not the rage and absolute isolation I was talking about.

That’s why the attack hurts you as a mixed-race person, but not me as a white person. I do not experience that isolation. That’s the difference.

You don't experience the isolation. That doesn't mean that denigrating you for your ancestry suddenly becomes acceptable. It is racist, and, furthermore, the prevalence of anti-white racism, even when not directed at mixed-race people, is still harmful to mixed-race people.

Another way of putting it - a man's daughter hears him calling her mother a bitch. It doesn't matter that it's not directed at her.

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But it’s not especially harmful to white people.

It's not especially harmful to white people to be denigrated for who they are...?

If society as a whole wasn't horrifically anti-Black in its racism, would it then be okay to use anti-Black slurs? Because it wouldn't be 'especially harmful'?

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I just want to know that I'm at least fucking safe in left-spaces. I expect right-wing spaces to denigrate me. They're shitheads to begin with. But is it too much to ask that the issue of being part-white not lead into part of me being sneered at?

It's tiring, man. I just want it to end.

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I already said it wasn’t harmful to them, yes.

That's a fucked up thought.

. But also, “White” is not an identity, as I have already said. It is a fucked up political category that serves to say, “these people are not any of the racialised categories”. That’s what I said at the start - it is only an exclusionary category. It does not identify any particular set of cultural or ethnic groups. There is no such thing as “white culture”. There is Norwegian culture, British culture, Texan culture, etc, but no white culture. Black culture, on the other hand, very much does exist, because black people as a group have been forced to construct a culture in response to their racist oppression.

So as long as the category is artificial, you can denigrate ancestry all you want?

Blackness as a concept was invented by racists for racist purposes. Anti-black slurs wouldn’t exist without that, so you couldn’t use them.

You're dodging the question.

I'm done here. It's incredibly shitty, and left-spaces should really fucking know better. But hey. Mixed-race folk always get the short-end of the stick. Why should left-spaces be any different, right? Cracker signing off, I guess.

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I'm sure they won't miss the billions in aid payments or access to US equipment.

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I know all about Europe. It's that country over the sea with all the stars on their flag and the royalty.

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