Sorting by new is similar to reading the federated feed in Mastodon. You can do that if you like, but you're removing all collective and social control over what you see. To me, that's a huge tradeoff.
The Kbin/Lemmy rankings stop being egalitarian. A large account on Threads can instantly make a post show up in millions of people's feeds, and make it much more likely to get boosted. Your front page is now filled with posts about diet pills and limited edition sneakers.
This already happens with Kbin and Lemmy; Lemmy has a lot more users, so what's popular on Lemmy is what you'll see on Kbin. This is not a problem; there's probably an easy way to stop posts from an instance from appearing on your home page.
My biggest problem with threads is that it's made by Meta (Facebook), they are gonna monetize the fediverse somehow, and I don't think they see our platforms as anything more than free content and data, so they are not gonna care about our opinions on their actions once they get a large userbase.
Yes, however I'm talking about a post that originates on Kbin being boosted on Threads. A big account can put a post in front of millions of people that can re-boost it and drive it up the charts. You're right though: the solution is to block that instance :)
This is a good question. I did see someone over on Mastodon wondering about blocking IP ranges, but the consensus seemed to be that whack-a-mole security puts a high burden on admins.
Unfortunately I'm not technical enough to speak to anything specific to kbin
@smallpatatas ok... there are other options, but the problem is that the project is yet too young, and the devs are working hard in the functionality. I don't think that they will have power to address that in the near time.
Then I suppose I will need just to remove my posts, find other moderators for my magazins and delete account.
I recently had to help a family friend deal with a scam that originated on Facebook, and I learned quite a lot more about how bad Meta really is as a company. They really truly do not care about their users at all.
A family friend hadn't been using their Facebook account, and recently discovered that a hacker took over their account. We don't know how exactly this happened, or even when exactly it happened. She did a google search to find the support number for Facebook, but of course Facebook doesn't actually have a support number you can call. In fact, they essentially have no way to contact them. Scammers however, have realized that they can SEO their way to the top of search rankings when you search for a Facebook support number. Long story short, the scammers shared the shit out of her, and spooked her into handing over $400 in order to verify her identity (they said it would be refunded), as well as copies of her drivers license, and other sensitive personal information.
After helping her clean up the mess from that scam we also tried to help her gain access to her hacked account, but in her case it's effectively impossible. The hackers changed the email and phone number on the account, so there is no way to recover the account. They have several different sets of instructions for recovering an account, but for her nothing worked. One of the instructions implies that a friend or family member can initiate the recovery of your account, but all it does is take you to a special menu on their profile that takes you to a support page, which tells you a bunch of stuff that doesn't help (like using a phone number to recover your account). Basically all she can do at this point is have her husband contact Facebook and claim that she is unable to use her account anymore due to medical reasons, and they'll delete the account, however they may not even honor this request.
There are a lot of good reasons to block Meta, but for me there are two reasons I keep thinking about: the harmfulness of algorithmic content, and commercialization.
Algorithmic Content
Algorithmic content promoted by Meta and similar platforms has proven to be harmful time and again. I feel like every few months some new study comes out that shows how harmful sites like Instagram are for people, especially kids. Algorithmic content feeds are purpose built to encourage addictive behavior in their users, how many times have you heard people say something like "I meant to go on Instagram/TikTok/whatever for 5 minutes and then I looked up and hours had passed". Algorithmic feeds are powerful, they change the way people create content, and the way people consume it, and not for the better. People end up creating content that is algorithm friendly, not content that they truly want to make. It turns social media into a very performative space, where genuine interactions are hard to come by.
The new Meta platform will absolutely be powered by algorithmic feeds, and that will have an outsized impact on the Fediverse. It will change how people post on and off Meta's platform, because in the end, if Meta users can see and interact with it, then you're effectively posting on their platform. If Meta succeeds in bringing over a large portion of their Instagram users to their new platform we could easily see the Fediverse consisting mostly of Meta users. This would mean that users outside of Meta's platform could have their content go viral within the Meta platform. Once people realize (subjectively or not) that their posts are more popular when they post in a way that pleases the Meta algorithm, then they'll change the way they post. Historically Meta and similar companies have used their algorithms to push content that has high engagement, content with high engagement tends to be divisive. I predict that we will see a large uptick in transphobic content, and other content that aligns with the current moral panic that is happening in America. I do not want to participate in a community filled with that content, and I don't want my posts to pass through the same algorithm that promotes that content.
Commercialization
Meta, Twitter, Reddit, and other similar companies all make the majority of their money on ads. They've all been desperately trying to rely less on ads, but none have been able to even come close to having an alternative way of making money that can sustain their companies. So far the Fediverse has avoided the need for ads, and in general has been pretty anti-corporate, which as been nice. The closest thing I've seen to an ad on Mastodon is small artists promoting their online stores to sell prints of their work. On Twitter and Reddit ads are everywhere, and they do everything they can to make them blend in with normal posts. What is really annoying though, is that these ads tend to get a ton of engagement, so even if it doesn't get put in your feed because it was a promoted tweet, some dipshit may retweet, quote tweet, or reply to an ad, which then pushes it into your feed. I have seen countless promoted tweets that have hundreds of likes, retweets, and comments. What this means is that even if Meta has no direct way to push a promoted tweet into your feed on a non-meta platform, they can still put their thumbs on the scales in a way that gets ads to be liked, boosted, and replied to, which will increase their reach outside of Meta's platform.
The problem isn't just promoted tweets though. We know for a fact that Meta is reaching out to "creators and public figures", like Oprah and the Dalai Lama. Meta knows that Twitter shit the bed and scared off a lot of big name celebrities, but also a lot of brands. There is no doubt that Meta is actively pursuing big brands and doing what they can to get them to join their platform at launch. With an influx of brands coming to Meta's platform, we'll see them start to have sway in the Fediverse. On Twitter Wendy's has 3.8M followers, Burger King has 2M, Steak-umm has 214k, Tim Hortons has 657k. Wendy's doesn't need to pay to promote their content, they get hundreds of replies, thousands of favorites, and hundreds of retweets on most of their tweets.
We also know that part of the reason brands like these big platforms is because they're given extra tooling that gives them more in depth information about the people who follow and interact with them. They get to see the data that Meta is harvesting, and they get to use that data to better target us.
Alright - in discussions with some folks prior to this kbin magazine we've had suggestions for using the hashtag #DefederateMeta
At present the thinking is to start putting some pressure on instance admins to weigh in on whether or not they are going to allow federation w/ the 'P92' platform. This way we get a discussion going, and users can begin voting with their feet if necessary.
If you have links to articles about the many horrible actions of Meta, please post them!
If you have opinions on why Meta should be blocked, let's hear them!
If you have thoughts on how to convince folks that we're much better off without Meta, please share!
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I don’t understand why you need to "convince" anyone. If you want to block Meta you can just block Meta or join an instance that blocks Meta, there is no need to collectively defederate.
If your instance’s admin has enabled SECURE_FETCH and you block Meta’s domain (even as a simple user) you are effectively isolated from meta, even boosting your posts can’t expose them to Meta (thanks to SECURE_FETCH).
This can be a personal decision it doesn’t have to be collective.
And I think it only works properly if it's collective. This isn't just about how we use functions of a protocol, it's about what kind of community we want to be.
It depends on if Meta is a cancer or a separate way of being.
If Meta is just a separate way of being, then no issues. Let them join and take part in a global community.
If Meta is a cancer, then their mere existence within the Fediverse will change it, adjust it, pull resources, push agendas.
... unfortunately, I think it might be the second one. Companies have one driving factor --- profits. Any action (moral or unmoral) is at the disposal of a privately owned company ... or at least that's my theory. I could be wrong, or I could change my view in the future, but for now, this theory lines up with my observations.
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