Am I the only one who still has nothing using USB-C?
I have a single USB-C cable for my laptop display and that’s really it. Charging is still done via barrel plug. Headphones/phone/iPad are lightning, watch is it’s own thing and all my pc peripherals still use micro-b. I seem to have more devices using usb-A than usb-C.
I’ll probably end up sticking with my 14 because lightning is less of a hassle than switching all my cords and not being able to charge things I need.
Yeah you might be the only one. Btw your laptop can also charge over USB-C instead of the barrel jack.
You could buy one high powered usb charger and attach a USBC to lighting adapter to the end of it and you’ll only have to carry one charger when traveling.
Btw your laptop can also charge over USB-C instead of the barrel jack.
Charging laptops through type C is one of the biggest conveniences ever introduced. Now I don’t even want to take my 2015 notebook from my in-law (despite being faster) because I can’t hook it into an all-in-one dock unlike my 2021 lappie.
Laptop actively loses power when plugged into the monitor, so not really.
I barely travel. It’s about replacing the 10+ chargers I have in my house, car, work and bags. I also don’t get the want for one charger. It’s annoying as hell to only have 1 charger. I’d rather have an individual one for every device tbh
I mean I definitely travel with more than one, but it’s nice knowing that I don’t have to worry about forgetting to pack a specific charger for that one specific thing and only realizing it when it’s too late.
Your monitor might not be supplying your laptop with power, but that doesn’t mean it can’t do it. If it can output to a display, then it is a thunderbolt port and can definitely charge it.
Monitor can’t provide enough power for the laptop. It was explicitly labeled as not power delivery when I bought the monitor. The output isn’t enough to charge a 2017 gaming laptop with a D-GPU.
It’s less about having one physical charger and more about having one charging cable standard so you’re not wanting for one cable when you mistakenly grabbed another…. You can have 50 charging cables and 50 bricks for all 50 of your devices if you’d like. The convenience comes with the fact that they all take the same connector. Standardization simplifies life and actually will make upgrading cheaper because you’re not locked into a proprietary standard.
I can completely empathize with not wanting to update all of your chargers, but as someone who has recently gone through part of it, I’m 110% onboard with everything being unified like this.
I like everything having their own tbh. Everything has its own charger in a specific spot. I don’t really find any convenience in having one connector. I genuinely would rather have individual connectors.
I just bought a portable fan for my tent that charges via USB-C. Almost everything is on it now (headphones, earbuds, battery bank, laptop, GoPro, drone…) except my iPhone and an old, mini keyboard/touchpad.
I can believe it if the only devices you have upgraded in the last 5 years is your iphone. Everything else has been on usb C for a while. Including mac books, iPads, android phones, windows laptops and even game consoles
iPad bought 2 years ago and iPhone this year are the only major wireless devices I own. Bought my first Gen AirPods Pro’s years ago. All of them are on lightning.
My laptop is from 2017 and I really don’t plan on updating it. I’m a PC gamer, so wireless stuff isn’t something I see or buy frequently. Everything is hardwired with USB-B when I get things.
Yup, you’re the only one. I’ve been on USB-C for five years now. Just gotta replace my cannabis vape, and I’ll be free of Micro-USB for good. Even a good portion of my PC peripherals use USB-C now. I’d ditch USB-A entirely if I could but unfortunately my motherboard only has 4 C ports*.
The term Brussels effect was coined in 2012 by Professor Anu Bradford of Columbia Law School[1][2][3] and named after the similar California Effect that can be seen within the United States.
The Brussels effect is the process of unilateral regulatory globalisation caused by the European Union de facto (but not necessarily de jure) externalising its laws outside its borders through market mechanisms.
The California effect is the shift of consumer, environmental and other regulations in the direction of political jurisdictions with stricter regulatory standards. The name is derived from the spread of some advanced environmental regulatory standards that were originally adopted by the U.S. state of California and eventually adopted in other states.
The Brussels/California effects are when the EU/California make a law that applies to the EU/California but for various reasons is followed globally/across the US
Sort of. It’s a universal standard that would allow all messaging applications to work together while supporting many of the features of current 3rd party apps. It’s like an improved and more feature rich alternative to SMS and MMS.
The Apple Magic🪄 has outdone itself this time. No one has ever seen anything like this before. This is the biggest technological innovation since Apple invented oled screens on phones in 2017.
Ok. Now I just need to replace my expensive headphones when those come out, and I’ll be free of lightening. I’m guess it won’t be for a while, as ok don’t like replacing expensive things with minor updates.
Need iPhone 16 or 17 with a waterproof replaceable battery so I can swap batteries while camping. Not needing to fuss with solar chargers would be awesome.
Bet you they will make their cable charge non iPhones slower… adding some proprietary tech inside the charger, phone or cable which only allows fast charging on Official Apple Certified products etc.
Yep, and Samsung (basically the apple of android) already does this. It’s annoying having all these old proprietary Samsung fast chargers around now that I’ve switched to google. They still charge decently, I just wish everyone would use the free fast charging standard
I don’t know why people think this. USB-C is on every Apple product except iPhone and AirPods, and they were quite an early adopter of it, putting it on the MacBook in 2015. For comparison, the first Samsung phone with USB-C was the Note 7, 1.5 years later.
They’ve done nothing proprietary with it in all that time, and Apple products with USB-C have followed the spec quite closely (unlike offenders such as Nintendo). Outside of unsubstantiated rumours and FUD, there’s no reason to think they’ll do anything different.
They also had no reason to use sms for texting android users even when rms exists and they also had no reason to resist USB c in the first place as well it really blows my mind just how pretty apple is with random ass issues
They do have a solid rumor that they’re sticking with USB 2.0 speeds for for the USB C iPhone and that non-MFI certified cables may be slow charging only, so while I’ve got my finger’s crossed that’s false since I’m an iPhone guy, Apple still seems to be looking for a way to skirt the EU and still get the accessory cut.
USB 2.0 I would buy, I’m sure they have the telemetry to tell them that like less than 1% of iPhones are ever plugged into a computer or data accessory at this point. USB 3 would be nice but it’s not a dealbreaker for almost anyone.
MFI certification I don’t. They didn’t do it with iPads or MacBooks, why with iPhones? It just doesn’t pass the smell test. Just one product that shares the same connector with all their other products has an MFI program but all the others don’t? Even though when it was Lightning, MFI applied to all of them?
It’s possible they will launch a program, but it will just be one that allows you to put the little “MFI” icon on your box. It won’t be one that will limit charging speeds. I get the uncertainty if this was the first Apple product to switch to USB, but it’s the last major one. Just wouldn’t make sense.
MFI certification I don’t. They didn’t do it with iPads or MacBooks, why with iPhones?
Kinda already answering your own question. Those products converted to USB C a while ago, and there hasn’t been a technical reason to not convert iPhone for at least as long. Why not iPhone? It’s probably because if I had to guess, the MFI business is like, a lot of money. Probably hundreds of millions.
If you follow apple and the rumors fairly closely, this is one that at this point will be a surprise if it doesn’t happen.
There is plenty of reason to think they will do something different. Apple is notorious for being petty with their interpretability. They have yet to build the RCA standard into their messages app because doing so would mean playing ball with their competitors. They intentionally make their Mac parts in such a way that you can’t get 3rd party replacements and instead need to rely on Apple for repair. They do shit like this all the time and I wouldn’t put it past them to limit interpretability here because they’ve made the calculation that their customers will think that it’s a problem with the competitor and switch to Apple more often than not.
Before Apple went ARM, they weren’t perfect, but they weren’t the worst. You could swap RAM on iMacs, change out storage on Mac Minis. But as they adopted ARM, RAM was incorporated into the SoC. And while poor for interoperability, there are notable performance improvements in this system-in-a-package design. More so, they do allow for some storage upgrades with the current Mac Mini and Mac Studio, even if it’s still somewhat user-hostile.
As for the charging question at hand, yeah…they probably WANTED something stupid like they did with MFi certification on lightning cables, but it seems as though the EU has already warned them about that. Hopefully we’ll end up with a pretty nice usb-c experience!
Personally I don’t see those as the same. NVMe and RCS didn’t exist when Apple started doing PCIE storage and iMessage. It is true that they are reluctant to move to a standard or incorporate it if they already have their own solution in place that works for them.
But they haven’t proprietarily extended or altered a standard in a long time. You may feel differently, which is fair. If I had to bet though, I suspect that we’ll just see a standard USB-C port that works with all their other standards complaint chargers and cables they’ve been making for the last decade.
I really don’t want to get into it so I’m just going to give you a good ol Louis Rossmann video for your viewing pleasure. The point is that Apple has literally built in mechanisms in their ssds to prevent interpretability even as their old tech worked with it and yet tons of people buy their products with their blatant anti competitive practices and people like you will do apologetics for them. They could build RCS into their app at any point but they don’t and blaming their competitors for why they can’t put it in. They do it with apps on their smart speakers as well. They only want their services to work with their devices and there is no excuse for the most profitable tech company to act that way except that it affects their bottom line and if there was anything they could do to pad their pockets with this switch to USB c, you could bet your bottom dollar that they would do it.
A soldiered SSD is not designed to be interoperable, shocking. Because they don’t want you futzing about inside the machine does not mean they will proprietarily extend or restrict external ports. I’m not making excuses for the first one, I’m saying they aren’t the same thing.
I’m just being realistic and using the information in front of me. Apple has been using USB-C for years, and hasn’t done anything nefarious with it. They will do the same with the iPhone 15. It’ll just be a standard USB port. Feel free to spread FUD if you wish, but it’s obvious for anyone following along that this is what will happen. I will happily eat my words if it turns out not to be true.
Genuinely curious, how did Nintendo change their specs for USB C? I still charge both my steam deck and switch off the charger my deck came with, but only the deck works with the usb-c to hdmi dongle I got. How does that work?
That I’m not exactly sure about. All I know is that every Apple device with USB-C I own works with all the USB-C docks I own with full port compatibility and video out, yet 3rd party docks have fried Switches and to get video out you need their dock.
If you search online I’m pretty sure people have gone indepth about what exactly Nintendo did differently.
Could easily be out of spec chargers. There are a number of prominent iPhone repair specialists (Louis Rossman, iPadRehab and such) that highly recommend against using 3rd party USB power supplies because there’s no guarantee of quality.
You can easily destroy your expensive device. They even recommend against using the built-in USB ports in planes and transit and instead using an AC power port with your OEM charging adapter to be safe.
But actually the free market would take care of this because capitalism is so great. Anyway, I have to get back to freebasing whatever’s under my sink now.
I mean the free market did, people decided they just didn’t care. You may have been sarcastic, but people have indeed decided it didn’t matter to them. That’s the “regulation” in this case
That’s great if you have usb-c devices already (which somehow most people do). I’m going to have to replace every charger in multiple places (3-7 at home, 2 in the car, 3 at work) with entirely new ones. I literally have nothing that charges from usb-c.
That’s great if you have usb-c devices already (which somehow most people do).
Are you really surprised that most people have some sort of device with a connector that came out 8 years ago? This isn’t exactly new technology, It’s so common now it’s even on super cheap stuff. I bought an electronic lighter from Amazon last summer and it charges with USB C.
Honestly yes. I didn’t realize so many people have things that need to be charged. I don’t particularly update my tech unless it breaks, so literally nothing has moved for me.
I hear you, but I think a lot of us just amortized that cost over time as we’ve gotten those devices, same as you will now, but at least it’s cheaper to start now than 5 years ago?
I hope they don’t do that until they force car manufacturers to be using wireless CarPlay for years. If they drop a port, a lot of car owners won’t be able to use CarPlay.
I think that might have been the plan years ago, might even still be long term. I think people like Ive really like the idea of a portless device and they were trying to get there but the realities of wireless charging and connectivity have gotten in the way.
AirPower proved to be so much trouble they just scrapped it, MagSafe has been a hit but real world charging speed is a lot slower than wired. Plus people love CarPlay and most don’t have wireless capable cars. Apple probably realize full wireless is not going to be ready in the near future and have put plans on hold.
It's surprisingly difficult to find a source which treats RCS as a Google product. It seems like most pieces of information about it is carefully curated to give the impression that RCS is an open standard.
It might be owned by someone else, but google is the only one pushing it and the only one supporting it. Technically it’s open, but it’s googles standard.
Does anything outside of Google use this standard? I haven’t even heard of open source apps that use it. The only major player backing it is google. It’s their standard, just like iMessage is apples.
The whole iMessage/RCS conversation is really only relevant in the US; in other countries basically everyone uses WhatsApp or Kakao or LINE or whatever the local favorite is. In the US, there is no industry-standard RCS. It's theoretically a carrier-based messaging service but all of the carriers outsourced it to Google so, as an alternative to iMessage, the option is a proprietary extension of RCS running on Google servers, something that is exactly as open as iMessage itself.
If you want a true industry standard way to send messages to people, the iPhone has had that since 2007: email.
RCS the open standard is missing critical features. Google's implementation fixes that, but is not open. I don't think we should give a pass to RCS just because it's open. SMS is a legacy format but it's unconscionable these days to release a new messaging platform without E2E encryption. That's a minimum viable product feature, not a maybe nice to have in the future feature.
Email doesn't even require a cellular plan to begin with but, again, the context of my comment is the US and the relative merits of iMessage vs. RCS. It's all just data. Who is using SMS over iMessage due to data plan costs? Unlimited cellular data plans are the default.
Industry-standard RCS does not support E2E encryption. Google's proprietary extension of RCS, which it operates, supports E2E encryption. As part of its marketing campaign for it, Google intentionally blurs the line between the theoretical open standard RCS, which nobody uses, and the real-world version of RCS that Google has implemented, which is not an open standard.
It’s a bit more complicated than that unfortunately. RCS wasn’t made by Google, but they did join the GSMA that manages it. They are pushing it as an alt/war against iMessage, but it doesn’t go through their servers as far as i know, it’s still a Mobile Operator service (like SMS), so it goes through your provider (and I guess Google’s if you use Google Fi).
I kinda think the smart thing for Apple to do is to implement RCS support (make the bubbles orange/purple or something) and then they’ve done it and can continue working on iMessage if they like.
Google version or Verizons version or samsungs version or… lmfao
End to end encryption shouldve been enforced by RCS theres no point for apple to implement it when android hasnt even made it so anyone can make an rcs app with E2EE by default other than Google
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