Edent,
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🆕 blog! “Are we 'appy about change?”

Shortly before I left the Civil Service in 2023, I made a complete fool of myself. Someone on Slack was discussing their department's app and I (rather snidely) asked why it was an app rather than a website. After all, one of the seminal blog posts of GDS was about not building apps. In response, […]

👀 Read more: https://shkspr.mobi/blog/2024/02/are-we-appy-about-change/

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baarkerlounger,
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@Edent are you saying that apps are fine as well as websites or also fine instead of, now?

Edent,
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@baarkerlounger
As well as.

They both have their strengths and weaknesses.

rgarner,
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@Edent last para is a bit of a provocation, by which I mean can you not poke me where it hurts?

bencurthoys,
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@Edent My limited experience has been that people who want apps have a massively overinflated sense of their importance to their customers.

slightlyoff,
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@Edent About most of the things you claim the web can't do, you're technically wrong, the very worst kind of wrong:

https://fugu-tracker.web.app/

The only reason they aren't pervasively available is Apple, but instead of arguing the side of open tech, you're folding. Deeply disappointed.

Edent,
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@slightlyoff I've no idea what that page is trying to tell me.

And, as I said in the post, I no longer work there. So I have no influence.

cwilcox808,
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@Edent
Site must be built with what the web can't do. 🤪

It worked last month, such a random list with some trivial stuff on it.

https://web.archive.org/web/20240118230901/https://fugu-tracker.web.app/

@slightlyoff

simevidas,
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@cwilcox808 @Edent @slightlyoff Fugu tracker temporarily broke because Chromium bug tracker moved https://github.com/GoogleChromeLabs/fugu-tracker/issues/48#event-11831804260

slightlyoff,
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@simevidas @cwilcox808 @Edent Sorry, didn't know it was down. Here's perhaps a nicer overview anyway. TL;DR: we made the web a LOT more capable everywhere we were allowed to. That last part is why it's so crucial to understand this not as an inevitable thing about the web, but a boot on the face by Apple:

https://developer.chrome.com/docs/capabilities

Edent,
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@slightlyoff @simevidas @cwilcox808
That's great to see - thanks!

simevidas,
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@Edent I was under the impression that the web is closing the “gap to native”, but your blog post makes it sound like we’re moving in the opposite direction.

> NFC … BLE … biometric security

Google has already brought all of these to Chrome on Android.

> The web still isn't great at caching data for offline use … Apps usually use less data than websites

A good team can create a web app that works offline without any issues and that is several times smaller than the equivalent native app.

cwilcox808,
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@simevidas @Edent
I believe Firefox and Safari have opposed supporting NFC and BLE.

Offline use of infrequently used web apps are complicated by Safari discarding stored information after 7 days of non-use. I don't know about other browsers.

simevidas,
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@cwilcox808 @Edent The 7 day limit is only in Safari. It does not apply to home screen web apps.

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