I kinda agree, but I tend to just leave it be. A lot of people have been damaged permanently by religion. Personally for me it only really wrecked my ability to pursue romantic religions and tanked my self esteem, but that’s nothing compared to sexual abuse etc others experienced. For some, such hatred is reasonable due to trauma.
It continues to amaze me how religious ministries can simultaneously appeal to ignorance ( We don’t what’s out there or what God wants ) and yet presume that their scripture is the inerrant, sacred stuff, and the there own, specific interpretation of that scripture and prioritization of passages, etc. is what should be treated as objective law.
This is why it sounds like a giant MLM, whether we’re talking the caliphate of Iran or the Roman Catholic Church or the Southern Baptist Convention or any of the countless apologists.
Nobody knows. Except the scientific sector has observed it can’t detect the spirit realm, even when it can detect the Higgs boson and the background radiation of the big bang. Miracles, ghosts, angels and demons neither emit, absorb nor reflect or refract light or heat, have no electromagnetic signature and exhibit no mass. They make nor absorb sound. The supernatural is as elusive as dark energy or dark matter, a component in mathematical models to explain discrepancies we don’t fully understand, and like the Bermuda Triangle of the 1970s, we’re finding supernatural phenomena no longer accounts for anything significant.
But dark matter hasn’t allegedly inspired holy text to be interpreted by ministers in fancy buildings.
I’m Jewish clergy, and I wholeheartedly agree with this message. I can’t stand people who jam beliefs down people’s throats, and I vowed to never do so in the communities I serve.
The fundamental nature of belief. Holding a deep conviction in a set of laws or ideals and surrounding yourself with like-minded ideologues will result a certain amount of collective confidence. And that confidence leads to people taking action.
I definitely get not wanting zealots to run roughshod over civil society, But it might be worth noting how much of civil society was built and continues to be maintained by people will deep convictions working in large groups.
No. Faith isn’t a virtue. People voluntarily deluding themselves, is offensive.
Sure, most people had this passed down to them, but there is no part of religion worthy of respect.
To believe in something which is not real, however seemingly innocuous, disconnects how a person makes decisions from the truth. When a person lives their life that way, they will cause unnecessary harm to themselves and others
And once they’ve accepted that there is s magic man who lives in the sky without proof, their tiny minds are open for Scientology / conspiracy theories and all manner of damaging bullshit.
Faith could even said to be foolish. The Bible contradicts itself on that point though. Proverbs 1:7 says
The fear of the Lord is the beginning of knowledge, but fools despise wisdom and instruction.
But is it wise to accept instruction or alleged wisdom from somebody who has not proven their knowledge, or even their existence? Seems foolish to me. Even the idea of fearing the lord is foolish after so many years of no evidence.
I used to be ambivalent to proselytising but eventually I realise that it makes the proselytising religion have superiority complex. They basically tell you that “you’re not good enough until you join us”, especially with the Christian rhetoric that you’re a sinner and could only be saved by becoming Christian. I’m not sure about Islam but they also proselytise like Christianity does.
Why not? Why isn’t it offensive that people follow gods that hate without any proof at all that those gods exist? I think that’s pretty offensive. Their following these religions and churches causes pain, suffering, hate, death, and genocide.
Time to stop giving a free pass to people supporting religious hate groups because they’re religious.
Why isn’t it offensive that people follow gods that hate without any proof at all that those gods exist? I think that’s pretty offensive.
In a free society you’re free to be offended. You’re not free to use that offense to deny other people’s beliefs (however wrong we individually find them).
Their following these religions and churches causes pain, suffering, hate, death, and genocide.
So you’re going to decide which things are going to be allowed to be followed by everyone by your own set of rules, and use force of law to make it happen? Don’t you see that’s doing the same thing the OP’s meme is speaking against?
I think you are twisting their words. “Stop giving free pass” in this context means to criticize them and say it is wrong thing to do. “Be offended”. Not “use force of law”.
IMO, the force of law should come down when they try to force their beliefs onto everyone else- for example, abortion. technically, abortion restrictions are mostly religious laws… and are technically forbidden by the first amendment.
but generally, nobody should force another to believe different than they do. If reason and logic and gentle persuasion aren’t enough… then that’s okay. (incidentally, they’re the ones using aggressive tactics, more often than not.)
Their following these religions and churches causes pain, suffering, hate, death, and genocide.
Yeah, partly because they use their religion as an excuse to ignore problems. We’re changing the environment in our entire planet, our only possible home, in dangerous and sometimes irreversible ways, and they’ll say “I’m not worried, it’s in God’s hands.”
I was talking to one of them and they were trying to deny that the climate is changing. When I called them out for being ignorant they just said “well, the Lord Jesus is coming back so it’s fine.”
Yeah, this is what bugs me the most to be honest. Believe in whatever, we can discuss it, your beliefs, mine, etc., bit don’t try and make me a believer.
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