horseshit. 50% of us were telling the other half how badly this would go. We called their lies out. We were labelled “remoaners” and “project fair”
“…regain his sicilian roots and get an italian passport”
He made a mistake and rather than doing anything to help change it and resolve the problems he caused by voting for brexit, hes going to run away to another EU country. Absolute scumbag.
Just to clarify, if you have Italian ancestry (grandparents or parents), you can apply for Italian dual citizenship which would would then give you an EU passport without having to actually move there. At least as far as I understand.
My wife is half Italian and we’ve been seriously thinking of emigrating from the US to somewhere in the EU and we’ve been exploring options.
I’m not condoning a Brexit vote by any means, but I just wanted to clarify that getting an Italian passport does not automatically mean that they’re abandoning the UK.
Lastly, and this may be unpopular, but I think the guy should be given a little credit for at least admitting his mistake. I’m stuck in a pro Trump state and am surrounded by idiots that are going to vote for that dumb fuck for a third time and I wish there were more people here that would admit their mistake.
Just want to point out for the readers that the brexiter slogan is “Project Fear” rather than “project fail” (no doubt a mistype).
This is important as it was one of the main slogans used by the far-right nationalists that pushed for Brexit, to dismiss every and all argument made by the other side about the consequences of voting Leave (notice how it dovetails with calling the other side “remoaners”). I live in the UK before, at the time and for a year afterwards and that I remember Brexiters did not actually used a single logical and well analysed argument, just half-throughts, outright lies and this kind of slogan.
I would say the Leave vote was won mainly on nationalism (which, by the way, is and has been for centuries widelly cultivated in England by pretty much all of the Press and both main parties) and anti-immigrant scapegoating and even racism (to the point that people speaking polish on their mobiles got attacked on the street).
Mind you, the “other” side was mostly headed by politcians who had spend the previous 2 decades or so, when they were in Government using the EU as a scapegoat for measures that they themselves wanted and which were unpopular (it wasn’t uncommon for the UK Government to push for something in the EU and then when it got implemented in the UK blame the EU for it), so they couldn’t actually come out and admit that the EU was a good thing and had done and was doing good things for the UK - as the would be admiting their own lies during all those years of scapegoating the EU - so all they had left were negative arguments against leaving, hence why “project fear” and “remoaners” were such great slogans.
Already before that referendum, the discourse about the EU in the UK was quite different than it was in other EU countries, as the political class in the UK saw the EU as a means to extended the UK’s power and influence (i.e. they sought to use the EU) rather than the “pooling of power for the good of the group” view on the EU which was predominant in most of Continental Europe. In fact this mindset was to such a point that many of the Remainers were actually making the argument that “The UK should stay in the EU and reform it” (or, in other words, the UK would change the EU to be what the UK wanted it to be, as if its 50 millin people counted more than the other 470 million - which by the way does match how a large segment of the English population still now sees themselves as inherently superior to all foreigners but americans).
Sure, people told me that my neighbours might have to leave the country and that the staff crisis of the NHS would get several times worse than it already was. But nobody told me my holidays would be affected!
This is the exact kind of selfish stupidity is what caused the mess in the first place.
I'm only a dumb American, so I barely know anything specific about brexit, but even I'm fairly certain that travel /vacations and other shit we're talked about as probably being affected by brexit.
But this might just be an instance of "no one specifically told me what would happen to my stuff" or something.
People just underestimate how traveling changed in the past few decades. Especially the refugee crisis made the borders way tighter for Non-EU members.
Before the EU even was a thing, as long as you had a strong passport traveling was super easy within Europe. Only when traveling by car you sometimes had long waiting times, they disappeared since the EU. But very few UK citizens would travel by car. And since the UK wasn't part of the Schengen area, they still had to go through passport control when entering mainland EU. A process that was basically the same as before the EU.
But while the UK was part of the EU they had access to the fast track lanes for EU-citizens. Now they have to stand in line with the rest. And they have to go through the online registration form before traveling. And the number of people traveling has increased and again the control has become way tighter.
The European Travel Information and Authorisation System - ETIAS. I thought it went online in 2023 but apparantly it was delayed to 2024. So for now it's not needed for British citizen but will be mandatory once it goes online.
The refugee aspect of it is also amazing - the entire Dublin system is basically designed so that countries like the UK could ship asylum seekers back to first countries like Greece and Italy without giving them due process. Leaving the Dublin system means they'll have to unilaterally comply with their UN obligations to people asking for asylum at their shores, making it a whole lot harder to get rid of people.
There's a reason why the European asylum system is as unpopular with human rights activists as it was with the average Brexiteer.
It really annoys me how brexit voters hide behind the “I was lied to by the politicians”. Oh how could I have guessed that a movement lead by Farage, Rees-Mog, and Boris Johnson would lie to me. If only there was a pattern of them lying previously to inform me of there current behaviour.
The remain campaign (and anyone with half a brain) routinely pointed out the lies. Turns out 52% of people vote on vibes alone, we are fucked.
Step one: Vote for incompetent buffoons who will say whatever bullshit it is you want them to say, despite every person on the planet with half a brain insisting that they're full of shit.
Step two: Complain that the politicians lied to you.
The remain campaign was complacent and that’s why they lost. The polls showed a majority for remain and many thought it wasn’t necessary to go vote as remain was going to win anyway.
So before you lay blame with brexit voters, you should lay the blame with people who wanted to remain and couldn’t be bothered to show up and vote. They dropped the ball and the brexit voter then kicked it away.
How do you figure? I’m seeing that voter turnout was 72%, which is higher than even the general election, and it’s unlikely that improving that even among young voters probably wouldn’t have made a difference.
We also carry out a back-of-the-envelope calculation regarding turnout. Young people voted overwhelmingly in favour of Remain but had a lower turnout than older age groups. We find that a higher turnout of young voters would have been very unlikely to result in a different referendum outcome, partly because their turnout was already elevated compared with previous UK-wide elections.
So before you lay blame with brexit voters, you should lay the blame with people who wanted to remain and couldn’t be bothered to show up and vote.
No, we should all be blaming the media and the people it serve who used their essentially unlimited power to manipulate the entire population to give them the result they wanted.
As a German, I’m opposed to let the UK back in unless it has been decided by a binding referendum with more than 70% voter participation and more than 75% of votes being cast for “rejoin”.
Brexit has destroyed so, so much - especially trust - that the British people need to make it unquestionably clear that they are in this for the long run, for a few generations.
We can’t have another 51-49 decision that will immediatly change as soon as the economy is doing a bit better or worse.
The EU is under attack from so many sides, and it could really use the support of a strong UK. But we can’t risk the UK becoming an enemy of the EU again.
My understanding is brexit has harmed both the EU and the UK, by the obvious virtue of the EU becoming smaller and the whole point is being a big economic bloc, but I don’t see the harm now after they’ve already ruined that.
So what gets destroyed if they were to come back at 51% and then pull a brexit 2?
The UK government has told the country’s port authorities that it will not “turn on” critical health and safety checks for EU imports when post-Brexit border controls begin this month because of the risk of “significant disruption”.
In a presentation seen by the Financial Times, the Department for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs (Defra) outlined a plan to avoid queues of lorries at ports, revealing that if the new border measures were implemented as planned big delays could follow.
Since announcing new border controls on plant and food products last year the government has promised it would “phase in” checks, which trade groups have warned will hurt small businesses and drive up the price of food.
However, just over a fortnight before physical inspections are set to begin, the presentation last week made clear that the new border systems will not be fully ready.
In order to get around the problem, the government said it would ensure the rate of checks was initially “set to zero for all commodity groups” — essentially switching off large parts of the risk management system, in what it called a “phased implementation approach”.
Implementation of the new border controls has been postponed five times since 2021, which has left EU exporters of animal and plant products free to send them to the UK without checks.
In its presentation, Defra admitted to port health authorities that “challenges” still remained within its systems for registering imports of food and animal products that could inadvertently trigger unmanageable levels of inspections, overwhelming ports.
“There is a potential for significant disruption on day one if all commodity codes are turned on at once,” it said.
The presentation did not make clear for how long border checks would be suspended but indicated that the systems would be “progressively turned on” for different product groups.
Business organisations have repeatedly called for the introduction of the new border to be delayed until at least October. “Any further confusion and uncertainty around the introduction of new border checks and costs is bad news for business,” said William Bain, head of trade policy at the British Chambers of Commerce.
“Business urgently needs to see crystal clear communication from Defra on its plans, and if any changes are being made then they need to know now.”
Defra made clear that its plan should not be shared with businesses, which will be charged a maximum of £145 “per consignment” for goods coming from the EU from April 30.
A Defra official also cautioned against disclosing it to the media, saying one of its main aims was to avoid negative news stories, according to a person familiar with the meeting.
Defra said the main customs system will continue to run, but only for the highest risk products, such as meat products from certain countries, and depending on how busy the port of entry is.
Bristol, for example, had only 17 risk notifications in a three-week period this year, while Dover had 12,573 over the same timeframe, so the former could have the full customs checks activated, while those in Dover would be “limited” to avoid delays.
“It is beyond frustrating that repeated warnings about the readiness of crucial infrastructure have been ignored and now in less than two weeks businesses will have to try to navigate this clearly broken system,” said Phil Pluck, head of the Cold Chain Federation, a lobby group for the perishable goods trade.
“The government must postpone full implementation until October and start working with the food logistics industry for a system that genuinely works and mitigates even more confusion, disruption, and costs,” he added.
Defra said it was confident it had the capacity to handle expected checks. “As we have always said, the goods posing the highest biosecurity risk are being prioritised as we build up to full check rates and high levels of compliance.”
It added: “Taking a pragmatic approach to introducing our new border checks minimises disruption, protects our biosecurity and benefits everyone — especially traders.”
Can confirm. Have been one of the victims. Yes, EPCPLC indeed sends all papers after the deadline has run out with an alleged sending date weeks ago, always illegaly from continental post offices that don’t stamp dates on the envelopes. I’ve contacted those post offices and inquired their normal run times to be in the one to three days period, and not six weeks like the alleged dates would suggest.
When I googled them for the first time, their homepage was in the middle of the first result page. All the other results were fraud warnings. Respectable and established websites had articles on them recommending involving a lawyer before contacting them, as the company was “known to be not trustworthy”, a position that I can support to 100%.
I am still thinking of file a fraud case against them, and of there is a call for witnesses against them, I surely will support the agency that is doing the case against these fraudsters.
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