The west defends Israel’s skies, not doing the same for Ukraine is a deadly mistake: If Europe doesn’t share its air defence systems now, Putin’s threat will only spread.

Cross posted from: feddit.de/post/11367607

The value of an effective air defence system and of unwavering international support was crystal clear the night of Iran’s massive attack on Israel: most Iranian missiles and drones were destroyed before they reached Israeli soil. The US, the UK and France, as well as Jordan, participated in Israel’s defence.

Unlike Israel, Ukraine lacks sufficient air defences, and the west provides far less than it could or should to defend Ukraine against Russia. Ukraine is not dealing with one-off retaliation for striking a Russian consulate – as Israel is with Iran. Russia has been waging a war of aggression against Ukraine since 2014, aimed at eradicating its nationhood.

cosmicrookie,
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Oooh! I wanted to argue that its because Ukraine is not part of NATO but it turns out that Israel is neither!? That makes no sense!

AFC1886VCC,

The west won’t do shit against Russia because of its nukes. And all Ukraine has to show for the support they’ve received is that they’ve given Russia a bloody nose. But they’ve still lost territory while Russia has gained territory.

I don’t see a coherent long term plan for Ukraine getting it’s occupied land back. Crimea has already been Russian controlled for a decade.

PhlubbaDubba, (edited )

Hamas doesn’t have Nukes, that’s why.

Enforcing a no fly zone is an act of war against anyone you shoot down over it, and direct war with Russia is a terrible idea.

The only scenario where it doesn’t end in nuclear fire is one where the US somehow has discovered every single hidden missile silo and has an unbeatable decapitation strike planned to destroy Russia’s nuclear capabilities before they can be deployed.

That would require a degree of aerial supremacy unheard of in world history.

Pilgrim,

Well, there’s always the second strike nuclear submarines even if you did that. There’s a reason the triad is the keystone of nuclear power.

PhlubbaDubba,

Presumably the decapitation strike would include the subs but yes, there’s a bunch that would have to be taken out of commission all at once

It’d go down in history as the battle of seconds, because that’s how quickly you’d have to complete the operation after starting to avoid the effects of the enemy realizing what’s going on and activating anything you haven’t reached yet in retaliation.

donescobar,

Just realized that not only is the “west” protecting air space but also maritime traffic. Wonder why don’t we do it for Ukraine as well since we are the world police.

Woozythebear,

Because Russia has nukes, 3 years in and this still needs to be explained to you fucking morons.

donescobar,

Found the Russian troll

Woozythebear,

Found the Ukrainian nazi

gian,

And so what ? They are not the only ones…

PhlubbaDubba,

Yes others have them, the difference is that Russia’s are going to be pointed at you if they get used.

Woozythebear,

No shit but I personally don’t want the world to fucking end in nuclear warfare. If Russia drops nukes then everyone dies including you dumbass.

SplashJackson,

I’m no nuclear psychiatrist, but is it true that a single nuke will envelop the entire world or even crack it in half?

gian,

Me neither but it is not that if someone has nukes than he can do whatever he wants.

Putin don’t care about the population but he care about himself. There is no way he can launch nuclear attack and survive. And he know it

Buddahriffic,

Including Russia. Why do you think they’d be so quick to end the world?

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