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Kage, in Eurovision 2024 Grand Final Live Thread

Switzerland deserved it, im suprised about germany, ireland deserved a bit better and i think fuckery happened with israel. Really bummed about netherlands tho.

Korne127,
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If Netherland wouldn’t have happened, this would have been such a great ESC. But yeah… they just needed to fuck it all up.
Honestly, while I’m happy about Switzerland (and Germany tbh), I’m just… still feeling awful, because I feel so sorry for Joost, as this was so important and emotional to him with his parents. I really despise Österdahl and the EBU right now for taking that from him.

Kage, (edited )

I dont get why the jury from netherlands was banned aswell, felt really awful

Correction from comments: Not banned but stepped down, still felt wierd

zaphod,

Were they banned? It’s just announcing the twelve-point vote, I assumed they didn’t want to participate anymore after being disqualified.

Korne127,
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As far as I know, they weren’t banned, there was just no-one willing to be a spokesperson lol. But this is just what I heard from a comment in a thread, so don’t take it as verified.

hyves,

Nikki de Jager (who was supposed to be the spokesperson) said on TV that it didn’t feel right to hand out points. The Dutch broadcaster then told the EBU to just figure it out themselves.
Käärijä (Finland) also stepped down but got replaced, and Alessandra (Norway) already stepped down earlier because of Isreal.

hyves, in Eurovision 2024 Grand Final Live Thread

Highlights from the Dutch broadcast (paraphrased):

  • “The EBU reminded us that we’re contractually obligated to do this broadcast.”
  • “Instead of the Netherlands we skip to Isreal, good thing they are completely uncontroversial.”
  • “Everyone makes mistakes, the EBU also knows a lot about that.”
Kage,

I see, they dont fuck around, as they should

nokturne213,

The head of their broadcasting company said “fuck the ebc” on video before the final.

WaterSword,
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Not the head of broadcasting, the commentator said that.

nokturne213,

Thanks for the correction. All of the info I have seen supported my statement, but I am in the states and getting info third hand.

Korne127,
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Good. They should even increase it (no matter how much it is right now)

Korne127, in Joost Klein Thread | AVROTROS releases statement
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The full statement just released by AVROTROS:

We have taken note of the disqualification by the EBU. AVROTROS finds the disqualification disproportionate and is shocked by the decision. We deeply regret this.

An incident occurred after last Thursday’s performance. Against clearly made agreements, Joost was filmed when he had just gotten off stage and had to rush to the greenroom. At that moment, Joost repeatedly indicated that he did not want to be filmed. This wasn’t respected. This led to a threatening movement from Joost towards the camera. Joost did not touch the camera woman. This incident was reported, followed by an investigation by the EBU and police.

Yesterday and today we consulted extensively with the EBU and proposed several solutions. Nevertheless, the EBU has still decided to disqualify Joost Klein. AVROTROS finds the penalty very heavy and disproportionate. We stand for good manners -let there be no misunderstanding about that- but in our view, an exclusion order is not proportional to this incident.

We are very disappointed and upset for the millions of fans who were so excited for tonight. What Joost brought to the Netherlands and Europe shouldn’t have ended this way.

AVROTROS

Thanks to @Jozav

AllNewTypeFace, in Belgium apparently paused the semifinal broadcast to condemn Israels attacks on Palestine
@AllNewTypeFace@leminal.space avatar

So that would make this antisemifinalism?

Korne127, in Joost Klein disqualified - official statement from EBU
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I’m just… so sorry for him. I’d be sorry for basically any artist I think, but I think most for him. Because the song is so personal and a tribute to his father, and that he’s so proud to have made it on the Eurovision stage for them… This is just really tragic. :(

SteefLem, in Joost Klein disqualified - official statement from EBU
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Soooo the investigation is still ongoing…but we will punish you anyway. Zero tolarance but still investigating…. Sounds very one way to me

Jozav,

Guilty until proven innocent.The Netherlands should not broadcast this program until the police has finished their investigation unless Europapa is included.

mannycalavera,
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Interesting point. Do we know what the statement from the Dutch broadcasting agency is with regards to this?

grandma,

They said the EBUs reaction was disproportional but not much else

Source: nos.nl/l/2520051

Microw,

Well as an event organizer they have a legal obligation to protect their production crew. I can completely understand the need to remove him from the premises if there is fear of him repeating his alleged behaviour to the crew.

Also to me it sounds like the EBU has concluded its internal investigation, it’s the police investigation that’s ongoing.

Vivarevo, in The Netherlands' entry Joost Klein not rehearsing 'until further notice' over 'incident'

Latest rumor: joost was being harassed constantly by the Israeli zionists. They used his dead parents as ammunition in their verbal abuse. Joost lost temper and did something towards Israeli photographer.

Deestan,

Well that’s shitty :/ Was he harassed by people on the premises? Huge fail from the organizers if so.

SteefLem,
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I now hear spain also has some drama with israel. Also a spanish press conference to tell how and what.

Deestan,

Soggy hell. Even going with the concept of ESC trying to be apolitical, Israel’s presence is just fucking things up for everyone. In addition to this new mess, every country’s artist has been getting constant harassment for A) joining, B) not protesting Israel, C) protesting Israel but not enough D) protesting Israel or E) All of the above from various people.

And now there are talks of voting “tactical” by making anyone but Israel win, i.e. voting for current betting favorite Croatia. Meaning, peoole won’t get to just vote for who they like and accept that some other worthy contestant won instead, like usual.

I wish they had the fucking tact to sit this one out even if the rules allow it.

mannycalavera,
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And now there are talks of voting “tactical” by making anyone but Israel

I think a stronger message would be to make Israel win this year so the EBU are forced to host the contest in a country currently repressing and illegally occupying it’s neighbour.

The EBU will surely then have to pull it’s finger out and explain it’s double standards.

Deestan,

I like to believe the ESC has long since understood leaving Israel in was the wrong call, but this year’s event is too far along to change. A promise is a promise and all that.

zaphod,

Why would they? They would most likely just ignore that.

SteefLem,
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That would explain why he yelled why not to israel

Vivarevo,

There is huqe scandal going on with Israels genocidal acts calls.

Korne127,
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Ohh yeah, true…
(Although of course that’s rather speculative. @Vivarevo, do you know where these rumors come from?)
Every ESC has its drama but honestly this year really feels like another level with things like this ://

Vivarevo,

Here and there. Now there is Twitter rumor about esc spain prepping to announce something about getting abuse from Israelis too. Have to wait and see whats up.

Microw,

Austrian broadcaster is writing that the Spanish delegation issued a protest against an individual israeli journalist to the organizers today.

orf.at/stories/3357172/

zaphod,

The article also talks about the release of the italian voting results. Apparently they weren’t the actual results, but then what were those results? The results they had hoped for or what?

Wie RAI am Freitag in einer Pressemitteilung betonte, hätte es sich um einen technischen Fehler und zudem nicht um die tatsächlichen Ergebnisse gehandelt.

cosmicrookie, in The Netherlands' entry Joost Klein not rehearsing 'until further notice' over 'incident'
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There’s a lot of censoring going on in Eurovision this year to try and make things look pretty…

Was it a few years back when they ignored several country votes and just replaced their votes with what they thought they should have votted?

eurovision.tv/…/ebu-statement-irregular-voting-20…

the ESC Executive Supervisor has the right to remove the votes concerned for allocating the ranks and to replace them with a substitute aggregated result calculated automatically to determine the final country result of these countries

nokturne213,

Audience video during Israel’s song. www.tiktok.com/t/ZPRwgE3td/

Korne127,
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when they ignored several country votes and just replaced their votes with what they thought they should have voted?

Several countries‘ juries made a deal with each other to exchange all the high points so that they all get a good placement. But this has been discovered so the jury points have been annulled.
I agree that the way they handle this wasn’t great, but it’s good that they are making sure the jury votes are real and not the result of corruption or weird deals (as some people sometimes claim).

cosmicrookie,
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Its great that they caught it, but the just covered it up during the live broadcast and it only got attention the following day. If I remember correctly, they had “connection issues” when the representatives from those countries were to cast their points

Korne127,
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Yep. That’s what I meant with “the way they handled it wasn’t great”. I kind of can understand their motivation that it’s the easiest not to tell the countries they found out about it and just not letting them talk at all… but it’s unprofessional and not honest / open :/

Varyk, (edited ) in Israel threatens to withdraw from Eurovision - BBC News

That’s a weird byline for BBC to offer, tldr:

Israel has a song with veiled references to the October 7th Hamas attack, Eurovision has a very strict policy on zero political implications in performed songs, Israel says that if the song isn’t performed, then they cannot compete.

Not that they will not or do not want to or are starting a boycott, just that if their song is not approved, they won’t replace it and therefore cannot compete.

Which is fine.

The spin seems unnecessary.

muse,
muse avatar

Sounds like a boycott

Varyk,

According to what definition? They’re not saying it’s a protest or punishment, they’re just not planning to compete.

JustMy2c,

That user is a known shill, posting wildly different views probably paid for by different groups. Ignore them

Resol, in On Eurovision's main sponsor - Moroccanoil
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As a Eurovision fan from Morocco, I have to say this:

This company is garbage. Also, keep dreaming about our return to the contest because it’s not happening within the next eon.

Boomkop3, in Joost Klein faces “criminal intimidation” charge: Swedish media

Note that this photographer was filming on a phone, and pushing it in his face. It’s a bit ridiculous

TheLameSauce, in Joost Klein faces “criminal intimidation” charge: Swedish media

Also, fuck right off with “ensure a safe environment”, where was that when you told Joost you would respect his wish to be alone after his performance because of how emotional he knew he would be? You let someone who communicated just how vulnerable they were going to be in that moment get ambushed by a camera person that you had assured would not be there.

TheLameSauce, in Joost Klein faces “criminal intimidation” charge: Swedish media

So fucked up that this dude is probably getting criminally charged for being justifiably pissed off that his very clear “leave me alone after my performance” request was first agreed to, then completely ignored.

If I’m in his shoes, I probably do the exact same thing and I’m not someone quick to anger.

BroBot9000, in Baby Lasagna donates cash award to charity
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Is it a lasagna that’s baby sized or is it a lasagne that’s made of babies?

We’ll never know.

nokturne213,

There was an interview where he was asked this, I cannot find it now, I think I saw it on TikTok. And he was asked this. He said he is what happens when a Mommy Lasagna and a Daddy Lasagna love each other a lot.

tiramichu,

Maybe both!

jqubed,
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The host Petra was in the green room on Tuesday’s semifinal and showed that among the food options they had baby lasagna and lasagna without babies for the vegetarians.

lath, in On Eurovision's main sponsor - Moroccanoil

Eurovision lacked funding some years back and sold out. Whatever it is now, it ain’t what it started as.

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