Switzerland deserved it, im suprised about germany, ireland deserved a bit better and i think fuckery happened with israel. Really bummed about netherlands tho.
If Netherland wouldn’t have happened, this would have been such a great ESC. But yeah… they just needed to fuck it all up.
Honestly, while I’m happy about Switzerland (and Germany tbh), I’m just… still feeling awful, because I feel so sorry for Joost, as this was so important and emotional to him with his parents. I really despise Österdahl and the EBU right now for taking that from him.
As far as I know, they weren’t banned, there was just no-one willing to be a spokesperson lol. But this is just what I heard from a comment in a thread, so don’t take it as verified.
Nikki de Jager (who was supposed to be the spokesperson) said on TV that it didn’t feel right to hand out points. The Dutch broadcaster then told the EBU to just figure it out themselves.
Käärijä (Finland) also stepped down but got replaced, and Alessandra (Norway) already stepped down earlier because of Isreal.
We have taken note of the disqualification by the EBU. AVROTROS finds the disqualification disproportionate and is shocked by the decision. We deeply regret this.
An incident occurred after last Thursday’s performance. Against clearly made agreements, Joost was filmed when he had just gotten off stage and had to rush to the greenroom. At that moment, Joost repeatedly indicated that he did not want to be filmed. This wasn’t respected. This led to a threatening movement from Joost towards the camera. Joost did not touch the camera woman. This incident was reported, followed by an investigation by the EBU and police.
Yesterday and today we consulted extensively with the EBU and proposed several solutions. Nevertheless, the EBU has still decided to disqualify Joost Klein. AVROTROS finds the penalty very heavy and disproportionate. We stand for good manners -let there be no misunderstanding about that- but in our view, an exclusion order is not proportional to this incident.
We are very disappointed and upset for the millions of fans who were so excited for tonight. What Joost brought to the Netherlands and Europe shouldn’t have ended this way.
I’m just… so sorry for him. I’d be sorry for basically any artist I think, but I think most for him. Because the song is so personal and a tribute to his father, and that he’s so proud to have made it on the Eurovision stage for them… This is just really tragic. :(
Guilty until proven innocent.The Netherlands should not broadcast this program until the police has finished their investigation unless Europapa is included.
Well as an event organizer they have a legal obligation to protect their production crew. I can completely understand the need to remove him from the premises if there is fear of him repeating his alleged behaviour to the crew.
Also to me it sounds like the EBU has concluded its internal investigation, it’s the police investigation that’s ongoing.
Latest rumor: joost was being harassed constantly by the Israeli zionists. They used his dead parents as ammunition in their verbal abuse. Joost lost temper and did something towards Israeli photographer.
Soggy hell. Even going with the concept of ESC trying to be apolitical, Israel’s presence is just fucking things up for everyone. In addition to this new mess, every country’s artist has been getting constant harassment for A) joining, B) not protesting Israel, C) protesting Israel but not enough D) protesting Israel or E) All of the above from various people.
And now there are talks of voting “tactical” by making anyone but Israel win, i.e. voting for current betting favorite Croatia. Meaning, peoole won’t get to just vote for who they like and accept that some other worthy contestant won instead, like usual.
I wish they had the fucking tact to sit this one out even if the rules allow it.
And now there are talks of voting “tactical” by making anyone but Israel
I think a stronger message would be to make Israel win this year so the EBU are forced to host the contest in a country currently repressing and illegally occupying it’s neighbour.
The EBU will surely then have to pull it’s finger out and explain it’s double standards.
I like to believe the ESC has long since understood leaving Israel in was the wrong call, but this year’s event is too far along to change. A promise is a promise and all that.
Ohh yeah, true…
(Although of course that’s rather speculative. @Vivarevo, do you know where these rumors come from?)
Every ESC has its drama but honestly this year really feels like another level with things like this ://
Here and there. Now there is Twitter rumor about esc spain prepping to announce something about getting abuse from Israelis too. Have to wait and see whats up.
The article also talks about the release of the italian voting results. Apparently they weren’t the actual results, but then what were those results? The results they had hoped for or what?
Wie RAI am Freitag in einer Pressemitteilung betonte, hätte es sich um einen technischen Fehler und zudem nicht um die tatsächlichen Ergebnisse gehandelt.
the ESC Executive Supervisor has the right to remove the votes concerned for allocating the ranks and to replace them with a substitute aggregated result calculated automatically to determine the final country result of these countries
when they ignored several country votes and just replaced their votes with what they thought they should have voted?
Several countries‘ juries made a deal with each other to exchange all the high points so that they all get a good placement. But this has been discovered so the jury points have been annulled.
I agree that the way they handle this wasn’t great, but it’s good that they are making sure the jury votes are real and not the result of corruption or weird deals (as some people sometimes claim).
Its great that they caught it, but the just covered it up during the live broadcast and it only got attention the following day. If I remember correctly, they had “connection issues” when the representatives from those countries were to cast their points
Yep. That’s what I meant with “the way they handled it wasn’t great”. I kind of can understand their motivation that it’s the easiest not to tell the countries they found out about it and just not letting them talk at all… but it’s unprofessional and not honest / open :/
Israel has a song with veiled references to the October 7th Hamas attack, Eurovision has a very strict policy on zero political implications in performed songs, Israel says that if the song isn’t performed, then they cannot compete.
Not that they will not or do not want to or are starting a boycott, just that if their song is not approved, they won’t replace it and therefore cannot compete.
Also, fuck right off with “ensure a safe environment”, where was that when you told Joost you would respect his wish to be alone after his performance because of how emotional he knew he would be? You let someone who communicated just how vulnerable they were going to be in that moment get ambushed by a camera person that you had assured would not be there.
So fucked up that this dude is probably getting criminally charged for being justifiably pissed off that his very clear “leave me alone after my performance” request was first agreed to, then completely ignored.
If I’m in his shoes, I probably do the exact same thing and I’m not someone quick to anger.
There was an interview where he was asked this, I cannot find it now, I think I saw it on TikTok. And he was asked this. He said he is what happens when a Mommy Lasagna and a Daddy Lasagna love each other a lot.
The host Petra was in the green room on Tuesday’s semifinal and showed that among the food options they had baby lasagna and lasagna without babies for the vegetarians.
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