Eurovision 2024 Grand Final Live Thread

Just like with the semi-finals, this is the live thread for the Grand Final of the Eurovision Song Contest 2024.
As there is (to my knowledge), no Lemmy equivalent to reddit-stream.com, the best alternative is refreshing the website about once after each song. This should still be okay for now as this community is relatively small.
Sort by New to see the newest comments or additionally click on the Chat button to break the replies apart and even show the newest replies.

Thanks to @You, there are some links for the Grand Finale:
The Grand Finale Livestream on YouTube: youtube.com/watch?v=ckGRHJ-J9G4

National broadcasts:

Perhaps one of these might not be geoblocked, but not guaranteed)

And some background information:

Kage,

Switzerland deserved it, im suprised about germany, ireland deserved a bit better and i think fuckery happened with israel. Really bummed about netherlands tho.

Korne127,
@Korne127@lemmy.world avatar

If Netherland wouldn’t have happened, this would have been such a great ESC. But yeah… they just needed to fuck it all up.
Honestly, while I’m happy about Switzerland (and Germany tbh), I’m just… still feeling awful, because I feel so sorry for Joost, as this was so important and emotional to him with his parents. I really despise Österdahl and the EBU right now for taking that from him.

Kage, (edited )

I dont get why the jury from netherlands was banned aswell, felt really awful

Correction from comments: Not banned but stepped down, still felt wierd

zaphod,

Were they banned? It’s just announcing the twelve-point vote, I assumed they didn’t want to participate anymore after being disqualified.

Korne127,
@Korne127@lemmy.world avatar

As far as I know, they weren’t banned, there was just no-one willing to be a spokesperson lol. But this is just what I heard from a comment in a thread, so don’t take it as verified.

hyves,

Nikki de Jager (who was supposed to be the spokesperson) said on TV that it didn’t feel right to hand out points. The Dutch broadcaster then told the EBU to just figure it out themselves.
Käärijä (Finland) also stepped down but got replaced, and Alessandra (Norway) already stepped down earlier because of Isreal.

hyves,

Highlights from the Dutch broadcast (paraphrased):

  • “The EBU reminded us that we’re contractually obligated to do this broadcast.”
  • “Instead of the Netherlands we skip to Isreal, good thing they are completely uncontroversial.”
  • “Everyone makes mistakes, the EBU also knows a lot about that.”
Kage,

I see, they dont fuck around, as they should

nokturne213,

The head of their broadcasting company said “fuck the ebc” on video before the final.

WaterSword,
@WaterSword@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

Not the head of broadcasting, the commentator said that.

nokturne213,

Thanks for the correction. All of the info I have seen supported my statement, but I am in the states and getting info third hand.

Korne127,
@Korne127@lemmy.world avatar

Good. They should even increase it (no matter how much it is right now)

Freeman,

Feel bad for norway and estonia

Korne127,
@Korne127@lemmy.world avatar

I wonder how the voting would have been different with Europapa. I think Croatia would have considerably less televoting as many people switched from Netherlands to Croatia (a post suggesting to do that on Reddit literally has 10 000 upvotes). But otherwise, I don’t really know what would have been different.
I’m still really heartbroken for Joost and I definitely hope that this all will be resolved with strong consequences for the EBU.

Deestan,

Fuck yes!!

SorteKanin, (edited )
@SorteKanin@feddit.dk avatar

Ugh, once again the public’s favourite is shoved aside by the jury’s favourite. What’s the point of voting when the jury gets to decide every time anyway?

cosmicrookie,
@cosmicrookie@lemmy.world avatar

Who was the public favourite?

SorteKanin,
@SorteKanin@feddit.dk avatar

Croatia

Korne127,
@Korne127@lemmy.world avatar

Only by 14 points in front of Israel though (337 vs 323 points)

cosmicrookie,
@cosmicrookie@lemmy.world avatar

Political asside, i dont think Israels song was good enough for that!

khannie,
@khannie@lemmy.world avatar

Very much agree. It was a fine song but the level it got in the public vote surprised me quite a bit.

From my perspective Croatia was streets ahead as both a song and performance.

Korne127,
@Korne127@lemmy.world avatar

Every time?!

https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/db025fdb-3173-494f-8642-f1bc4a35fb31.png

https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/edeae76d-00ab-470a-8be2-b17a861100ad.png

https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/03cec45b-0649-466c-bd5a-3d256f7a2759.png

Source for the graphics

I am genuinely sorry if your favourite didn’t make it, but that just… happens for most people when there are many songs. My favourite in 2021 was Switzerland, who won the jury vote but didn’t win overall. But like yeah, Maneskin won and it’s fine, because it’s not just about me. Keiino was my favourite in 2019 as well, but yeah, Arcade was also a great song and a winner. And today, Nemo certainly deserved to win.

SorteKanin, (edited )
@SorteKanin@feddit.dk avatar

Alright not every time, but it’s still dumb that it’s not just democratic. Last year was also the jurys favourite despite Finland winning the public vote.

I don’t feel like they deserve to win when it’s not the people’s favourite. I don’t like the jury system. They werent even the public’s number 2.

Korne127,
@Korne127@lemmy.world avatar

Honestly, it’s not dumb. Televoting is super biased towards running order, just see how the same 10 songs last year got ranked in a completely different order in the semifinals and the finals by televoting only:

https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/afba97c5-120c-4332-a5c9-f14e8651f9f9.png

It’s completely different, some places are basically upside down!

Also, there is just a reason the jury got reinstalled. While the televote is important in my opinion to also allow different songs that are experimental or just fun to have success at ESC, jury vote is equally important to really take a value at the singing quality and difficulty.
Just look at last year: Spain with one of the hardest songs and an insane singing quality got almost no points from the televote because it’s not directly catch on the first listen, the jury was definitely necessary. Also, Poland (with a cheap summer song) got higher than Portugal.

The jury fixes those mistakes of the televote and the televote fixes the mistakes of the jury that sometimes doesn’t care so much for different fun songs.

Edit: Fixed the image

SorteKanin, (edited )
@SorteKanin@feddit.dk avatar

Televoting is super biased towards running order, just see how the same 10 songs last year got ranked in a completely different order in the semifinals and the finals by televoting

Do we have any evidence that the jury’s vote is not similarly biased? It may as well be. Also tbf many people only watch the finals so it could also be explained by a difference in demographic.

jury vote is equally important to really take a value at the singing quality and difficulty

I disagree on this point - the jury might be musical professionals, but they are not the authority on what is good or bad music. That is a personal judgement and the only way to agree on a winner is a democratic vote.

A difficult song does not equal a good song and an “easy” song can still be a masterpiece. I don’t think you should be awarded points for singing a difficult, yet bad, song.

Korne127,
@Korne127@lemmy.world avatar

Do we have any evidence that the jury’s vote is not similarly biased? It may as well be.

Yep. Here is a literal study coming to exactly that conclusion: doi.org/10.4324/9781003188933-12
But also, you don’t really need a study for that. It’s pretty clear that people who just see songs and a recap and vote for what they have in their memory are more susceptible for it than a Jury that needs to literally rank every single song in a list from 1 to 25/26 in different categories.

And the image I posted above definitely shows how much running order impacts the televoting, as well as this image does (from when the running order was drawn at random):

https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/f4ce0545-c13a-4d8c-b94a-bc75c3507ec0.png

That is a personal judgement

I’m sorry, but I just disagree. With a relative of mine having studied musical theory for years, I definitely know that there is a huge difference between opinions of random people and people who literally have spent years with the theory and can judge the quality of singing and the challenges of a song in completely different and finer ways. There definitely is another level of appreciation.

SorteKanin,
@SorteKanin@feddit.dk avatar

It comes down to a philosophical disagreement on whether art has inherent/objective qualities or whether it can only be judged from a purely subjective perspective. I strongly lean towards the latter while you and the EBU lean more towards the former. I don’t agree that there truly is a different level of appreciation (perhaps a different method of reaching that appreciation, but just as valid). I think we can only agree to disagree on such a fundamental thing.

khannie,
@khannie@lemmy.world avatar

What a nice, respectful disagreement to read. Genuinely.

hyves,

Swisssweep

You,

Congratulations Nemo!

hyves,

They got crowned by the Witch!

khannie,
@khannie@lemmy.world avatar

I saw that. It was very cute and he took the crown on stage with him. Lovely stuff. They seemed to have a genuine bond.

Korne127,
@Korne127@lemmy.world avatar

What’s going on?!?!?!
This really means people rallyed around Croatia (and maybe some around Israel or Ireland too, in general the popular ones)

khannie,
@khannie@lemmy.world avatar

I expected Ireland to do a little better on the public vote but happy to see Croatia get the public vote win. Superb tune and performance.

zaphod,

Germany is getting points, someone explain this.

Korne127,
@Korne127@lemmy.world avatar

A little bit of consolation after the horrible horrible Netherlands disqualification :(

harry315,

The booing on israels jury was heavy

cosmicrookie,
@cosmicrookie@lemmy.world avatar

Also every time Israel gets points!

freebee,

They got a fucking lot of them tho wtf

khannie,
@khannie@lemmy.world avatar

Yeah what? Like it was a grand tune but absolutely was not expecting that from the public vote.

Edit: Just saw the result of the Irish public vote and Israel got 10 in fairness with Croatia getting a well deserved 12.

Kage,

Germany Public Vote awarded israel 12 points…

hyves,

Dutch Public Vote as well

BenGFHC,

Same for the UK

freebee,

:o

VonReposti,

Danish public vote awarded 8 points to Israel. What a fucking disgrace.

Come to think of it, in Denmark we could only vote by SMS and we know how easily phone numbers are spoofed. Maybe someone with time on their hand could correlate the numbers between SMS voting and votes to Israel if it’s possible to get those numbers.

cosmicrookie,
@cosmicrookie@lemmy.world avatar

Every user can vote 20 times. It just takes dedication and maybe some rigging to get that many points

Korne127,
@Korne127@lemmy.world avatar

Yayyyy Switzerland gets so many jury votes, my last call was that he’d be the jury winner and so far it looks good :D
And as he’s my favourite tonight, this actually makes me really happy right now :D :D :D I’m crossing my fingers for him :D

Korne127,
@Korne127@lemmy.world avatar

Germany got points by three juries in a vote?! This is actually really nice :0 :D

khannie,
@khannie@lemmy.world avatar

117 points and 12th place in the end. Not too shabby.

trolske,

Germany already got more than 0 points!
This is a weird ESC

freebee,

Fuuu can’t vote Dutch, what’s the next best thing?? *throw dart… Germany!!

Korne127,
@Korne127@lemmy.world avatar

The long extensive loud booing was sooo nice to hear; it made me so happy.

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