Here's how it's going to go down.

Some context: I was /u/Blackstar9000 on Reddit. You might know me from /r/TheoryOfReddit. Or maybe not—I ditched my account there a number of years ago. I've been on the Fediverse for about 6 years, primarily via Mastodon. Last October, I deactivated my Twitter account. I've been through a bunch of social media sites, and I've seen the patterns. This post is about those patterns.

A lot of you are trying out Lemmy or Kbin because of what's been happening at Reddit. (Welcome to the Fediverse!) And a lot of you will be going back to Reddit as soon as things quiet down. You might not think you're one of those people, or you might not be sure where you stand. I'm not here to tell you what to do, just to prepare you to decide. That's the goal: a decision. As opposed to letting inertia decide for you.

There are a few factors at play here. One is that you're accustomed to Reddit. You may not like what's been going on there lately, but the platform is familiar, you know how it works, it feels like a broken-in pair of sneakers. Every bit of friction you feel here is going to nudge you back in that direction.

Another is that the Fediverse is different. Lemmy and Kbin are designed to do something very like what Reddit, Digg and other link-aggregating social sites do, but the fact of federating with the broader network makes certain complications impossible to avoid or ignore. And there are deliberate differences that have less to do with federation than with what the devs thing might work better. Some people adapt quickly, others don't. Some people just plain don't like it. In any case, there's a learning curve, and that's bound to be a source of friction.

A third is that Lemmy and Kbin are still finding their footing. These are independent, open source services, and they're in the process of becoming the things they'll one day be. Mastodon went through similar growing pains, and a lot of people bounced off of them during those awkward years when the UI was rough and the feature set incomplete. People's ideas about Mastodon changed more slowly than the service itself, and it wasn't until things got really bad on Twitter that adoption rates kicked back up again. Mastodon still isn't what Twitter became, and probably never will be, but it's a much more professional-feeling piece of tech than it used to be. Someone is building the airplane we're flying on. Any Fediverse service that survives long enough will go through that process, and if you're not clear-eyed about the need for patience, that too can push you away.

A fourth factor is social. If you've been on Reddit for a while, then you probably have a decent mental map of your relationships on that platform. You'll probably reconnect here with some people you know from there, and maybe even carve out spaces where you can reconstruct some of the communities you were a part of there. But you can't transplant your entire social map. To stay here—to even want to stay here—you'll need to build a new web of relationships, one that might include some portions of the old web, and that's more friction.

All of that friction adds up, and the only antidote, really, is resolve.

So you'll hang out here during the blackout, when there's friction on both sides of the line. A small minority of you will take to the Fediverse immediately and move most of your activity off of Reddit. But only a small minority. Some of you will get a taste for it and split your time between here and Reddit. For most of you, though, the gravity of your history with Reddit will win out in relatively short order.

No hard feelings. We're happy to have the people who stay. But if you go back, let that be something you've decided to do, not just muscle memory taking over. Because that's another thing I've seen happen time and time again: People try out the Fediverse, only to drift back to the corporate platform. Then six months later, a year, two years, something new comes up. The platform finds a new way to alienate users, and some subset of them will go hunting through their email to figure out which Fediverse server their forgotten account is on, and what login name they used. (Trust me: keep that info somewhere you can find it.)

Going back is a valid decision! I just want you to decide, rather than let muscle memory decide for you. And if you go back, set a limit for yourself. Figure out the straw that would break the camel's back. Tell yourself, "If they ever do this, I'll delete my account," so that if they ever do that, you actually will.

Spzi,

Good post! But I haven't understood why it is important to make it a decision.

What's wrong with meandering back and forth, staying wherever it feels right, moving on when it does not?

I wouldn't want to do that, but I think it's a perfectly legit way to approach the situation. While you explain very well overall, it did not become clear to me why an undecided stance is a bad stance. Yes, people need to take more care with their passwords and account data to be able to go back (having a password manager solves that). But other than that, why should they make it a conscious decision and not just go with the flow?

numberedcompany,

Good post. Having been lemmying for 12 hours, the web and Jerboa UI are perfectly competent enough that I realized most of what Reddit was giving me is a quasi-social place to scroll. Lemmy is already as good as Reddit at that, it also has the vigor of a new community. I don't think this was switching from cigarettes to vaping, this is just cigarettes that aren't giving revenue to VCs, which is reason enough to leave old.site

davidv7,

I'm giving it a proper shot as I've been growing tired of Reddit for a while. But I'm also one of the people that actually just ran the app and followed subreddits that didn't get affected by the blackouts (mostly userbases that are too old, or too young to care).

Let's be honest. It's all about the content. The site, the admins, the app, etc. it all comes, as long as there's content. And so far, most people are just obsessing about Reddit, instead of posting what I'd consider organic posts.

princessofcute,
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I've made up my mind, unless Reddit backs down (which is looking more and more like they won't) I'm deleting my account by the end of the month. My final straw was them trying demonize the Apollo dev and then not apologizing when they were called out with proof that they were blatantly lying. I never fully stopped using Twitter, I'm still using a combo of it and Mastodon. But with Reddit I'm stopping entirely, I'm hoping Kbin/Lemmy continues to grow as I'm really liking it so far and the decentralized nature of the fediverse is really appealing to me, I'm tired of platform hopping every few years when centralized platforms decide to screw over their userbase

squidzorz,

(1st comment!!)

It's not that Lemmy or Kbin are bad alternatives (I think they're pretty good tbh), but I would really like to stay on Reddit because that's where the content is. That's where the vast majority of people are going to stay and so that's where the interesting posts will stay.

Me continuing to use Reddit is entirely contingent upon Reddit Inc. making mobile apps usable again, either by lowering API costs so 3rd party apps can continue to exist, or improving the official app by a LARGE margin to bring it in line with the apps they're killing. If they don't do that, I'm more than happy to stay on Lemmy.

777,

So what you're saying is that you'd like to be here if the content was here? Why not invest in the future by making some yourself or by commenting?

lps,
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@lrhodes
Great article, and accurate insights IMHO
@jdp23

jdp23,

@lps very much agreed it's a great article! I asked @lrhodes If I could include an exceprt and link in https://privacy.thenexus.today/kbin-lemmy-fediverse-learnings-from-mastodon/ ... not only that I asked from @thenexusofprivacy fedia.io both my question and the reply federated correctly. It's amazing when it works!

Mishmash,

I’ve already made my plans to settle in the Fediverse/Lemmy. Yes, it’s Reddit with extra steps, but the smaller communities, more tailored instances, and to be a part of something in its infancy compared to where Reddit is now, is really appealing to me.

Plus, this won’t be the last time time Reddit screws with it’s users. There will be more influxes of users in the future to look forward to.

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