I don't get people that are here in the fediverse and *want to bring over* the content that is on FB, IG, TikTok, etc.

This has come to mind because all the chatter about Meta federating.

I see a lot of people saying they’d love to have that type of content here when Meta federates, and that those will be the best instances because they will have the most content, but they will still be accessible without compromising their privacy.

I truly don’t get this.

I’m not here for mass-produced content, if I wanted that, I’d be in other platforms. The beauty of these communities is they are not filled with posts that are all the same, algorithms and bots. It’s just a community of real people having conversations.

If you want mass-produced trendy content, please, consume it elsewhere, and when you are inevitably fed up, then come here and enjoy the slow-paced, real community.

PD: I hope this doesn’t come across as wall-keeping (or however it’s said lol), It’s my honest opinion.

Usernameblankface,
@Usernameblankface@lemmy.world avatar

Sounds like something that will cause a split later down the line.

sturmblast,

I don’t get why that is hard to grasp.

ComplexLotus, (edited )

Purely text based content is way easier on the servers. If all Lemmy users uploaded videos and high res images all the time, the servers could not keep up, right?

  • consider that they use hardware that is run on donation (or their own) money
Usernameblankface,
@Usernameblankface@lemmy.world avatar

Do people running servers have any options for limiting the amount of pictures and video that users upload to their instance?

Having text-only communities sounds like a good way to attract the right people and be an unattractive option for people who just want max content.

ComplexLotus,

I asked a similar question previously one of the makers of lemmy responded to me:

Open an issue on that or write a bot

… I thought sometime in the future I will make such a bot … but turns out I need to use typescript for that.

njtrafficsignshopper,

I might be willing to help with this if you want to tackle it and are interested in help. I’m newish to Lemmy but want to get my feet wet. What tech stack do you prefer? Typescript is a very short leap from Javascript if you already know it, IMO.

driving_crooner,
@driving_crooner@lemmy.eco.br avatar

The instance I’m in limited pictures upload size to 265kb.

TechnoBabble,

I really like that idea.

It would absolutely demolish the risk of a community turning into a meme sub, or one of subs where people just post pictures of their Raspberry Pi in some retail case over and over again.

And as long as pictures are disallowed on the main post, people could still be free to post links to guides or other important content that contains pictures.

Usernameblankface,
@Usernameblankface@lemmy.world avatar

Hmm, links to pictures elsewhere seems like it would be less work for the computer running the instance.

TechnoBabble,

Which would be pretty important if we want to keep monetization as unobtrusive as possible on Lemmy.

That said, I do think we need to figure out image hosting at some point.

ghariksforge,

Some government services use twitter to publish news or information. I expect they will be in Threads too. If I can access them through federation then it’s a huge win for the Fediverse.

Buddahriffic,

Even better if they just create their own government instance and post them there, then others can federate or just consume as desired. I really don’t like the idea of the government making you sign up or interact with some for profit business’s infrastructure to see communications from them.

ghariksforge,

It’s better if they did that, but they are not doing that.

KuroJ,

I believe most people just want more content than anything, but with opening it up to all of those other social media platforms, you get all of the junk that comes with it.

I personally left those platforms to get away from all of the social media drama, and I don’t mind less content as long as it quality.

JigglySackles,

I get why some want it. I just wish they’d stop. They want ease of access to all the things they like. I hate those other platforms and have no accounts on them and I don’t want to see them here and prefer the community driven content over yet another algorithm pushing garbage I hate. They always try to spin their algorithms as finding content you want and tailoring it to you. But it’s never the case. They take the vile shit that they support and push that, mingling it with a few crumbs of real content. And eventually the crumbs disappear too. I don’t want any of that corporate nonsense around. I really like a good large community without that influence.

ComplexLotus,

Some automated algorithms can be good for content discovery and discovery of new creators tho

  • if you are to lazy to type in your search term into a text box
  • if you do not even know how to articulate the name of the content you search for in text form

These automatic suggestion algorithms are perfect for mindless scrolling in an entertainment sense … these ranking algorithms justify the massive data collection we witness today.

I wonder if there is another way of decentralized way of content creator discovery without the current drawbacks.

JigglySackles,

I really don’t think anything justifies the massive data collection that currently happens. While “feeding the algorithm” may be their superficial excuse, data harvesting is really there for the resale value.

kobra,

I understand why you want that, and I’m glad that decentralization/defederation allow you to keep that.

I have to ask though, why do you want to keep other people from getting that algorithmic, corporate content if they want it? Especially since this will allow them to do it without giving up so much personal info via apps. (While also allowing us to interact/evangelize the FOSS way > corporate systems)

JigglySackles,

I don’t want to keep them from it. I just prefer they go to their other platforms for it. Because by inviting it to this platform, it degrades this platform in my eyes. I don’t have another place to go to get away from that content, they do have a place they can go to for that content. I’d appreciate it if we can respect that boundary. Keep this place free from the corporations that are destroying so much of our world. At least as much as possible. Nothing good can come from opening this door, and if it opens, history will repeat itself once more because there is always a new crop of people unwilling to listen to warnings. No good comes from aligning with growth at all costs corporations. It just isn’t possible.

armrods,

Because the actual good content is on those networks

bizzle,

Utterly braindead take

samus12345,
@samus12345@lemmy.world avatar

Very debatable. Some is, but I doubt even most of it is.

ex_redditor,

Then use those networks?

ghariksforge,

If Meta federates, people on the fediverde will.be able to follow content on Meta. This makes it easier for people to switch to the fediverse.

Xepher_X,
@Xepher_X@mastodon.social avatar

@ghariksforge @alertsleeper

Who knows how it'll work out at this point. I imagine there will be plenty bad with the good, but it's going to happen in some fashion so might as well try to hope for the best!

leodude,

totally agree

Frostwolf,
@Frostwolf@lemmy.world avatar

I personally want to consolidate all content in the fediverse because I see it as more archival-proof. Companies can come and go, brands can sell and change, but a community effort like the fediverse has a huge potential to last.

Just look at reddit and how many useful guides have been taken down.

If you know where to look, there are a lot of useful news, posts, guides, articles and media floating around but often, these are at the hands of big corporations and companies who can turn their backs on their users any time (and with it, our access to these files/media/etc)

theneverfox,
@theneverfox@pawb.social avatar

Data has a self life.

We can take it all in, keep it in a living system that keeps it accessible, keep it intact (all modern storage degrades in 2-10 years max, so it needs to be redundant and living storage)…

And still, no one cares after about 5 years. How many throwbacks memes or posts have you seen about the digg migration to Reddit? I haven’t seen any, even though it’d be topical and interesting

Squiglet,

Putting my tinfoil hat: Would Meta be capable of having people in the Fediverse posting positively about Meta joining the Fediverse? Because anyone with 2 braincells and that has arrived here so far and gone through the trouble of understanding ± what this is about, set up an account etc, would understand by now the way the world works and why its such a bad idea to have Meta have a foot in the door here.

Squiglet,

This companies are all about profit and control and monopolies and give zero shits about you, quality content or anything else. Fuck them

alertsleeper,

I have put on that same hat already believe me

tobor,

Thing is, they don’t have to pay people for that. Some people just love having the contrarian “not everything meta does is bad” opinion because they think they’re being clever

Squiglet,

Its a mix: contrarians, Meta shills and NPCs.

Atheran,

I remember when I was considered a contrarian for refusing to have a facebook account back in 2008 or twiter later on or instagram. How times have changed.

PopularUsername,

I think that an open systems that are universal and interoperable are inherently superior to any walled garden. If people think that the fediverse can’t handle or incorporate large corporate interests then this is a failed experiment and they should just shut it down now. Superior open systems should be able to dominate a free market environments, and people either don’t believe this to be the case, or the fediverse is inferior and will never beat the centralized competitors.

I also hate Facebook but for those reasons I think that Facebook joining the fediverse would actually improve Facebook, not worsen the fediverse.

krowsbane,

I see a lot of people saying they’d love to have that type of content here when Meta federates, and that those will be the best instances because they will have the most content, but they will still be accessible without compromising their privacy.

And that right there is why you see the expression “Embrace, Extend & Extinguish” thrown around a lot lately. This is exactly what companies have done to demolish competition in the past.

ilex,
@ilex@lemmy.world avatar

Be in an instance that doesn’t do it.

Otherwise, if something is sufficiently excellent, it will attain escape velocity from its original platform, and get shared elsewhere.

gon,
@gon@lemmy.world avatar

Gatekeeping I believe. Still, it didn’t come across as that at all IMO.

alertsleeper,

That’s the word, thanks

Aceticon,

Having been on the Internet through the period when AOL connected to it, I’m a little skeptic of the idea that linking a behemoth to the fediverse won’t totally fuck up the culture of the latter.

FlyingSquid,
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Oh god, the Eternal September when 90% of Usenet was people replying “me too!” to a post that said “me too!” in response to a post that said “me too!” which referenced the previous post that said “me too!”

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