Lemmy.ml mods remove "two-sideism" comments on Israel-Palestine conflict on AskLemmy, causing drama

DarkThoughts, 5 months ago

In the news related communities on that instance it was the same shit. Tankies trolling and straight up insulting others, or just spreading disinformation. I tried reporting them but they never bothered to do ANYTHING and the same trolls did the same shit over and over again in other comment sections. That's when I decided to block all the Lemmy.ml communities when I see them. It's just Lemmygrad pretending not to be Lemmygrad.

Blaze, 5 months ago

I try to resurrect !dundermifflin about the show “The Office” should I move it elsewhere?

It’s a pretty laid-back show, and there were already 400 people in that community, so it made more sense to keep using it rather than create another one from scratch.

hansl, 5 months ago

There is a television and movies specific instance somewhere. If you search communities you should be able to find it. I’d create show specific communities in that instance.

Found it and it already has a The Office community; lemmy.film/c/theofficeus

Blaze, 5 months ago

Well, I was a big fan of lemmy.film, posted a lot to the communities there, but unfortunately it has been down for a few weeks now.

We created !moviesandtv as a replacement to !moviesandtv.

Since then, I try to stick with established instances.

kick_out_the_jams, 5 months ago

I (early GenX) grew up with: it is an ugly conflict between two evil sides who do not hold back to kill. When agreements are reached, there is always one side who breaches the agreements. Periodic killing returns in a continuous cycle. At the end of every period the conflict hardens and borders are moved. I have not changed my opinion. I have not seen an eye opener in the past months. SNAFU: Situation Normal, All Fucked Up

Removed for Rule 1 and given a 4 day ban.
I'd have to see if their code of conduct covers the F word or something but it's not a ban that would sit right with me.

Microw, 5 months ago

That one I can see why the comment is removed. The Statement that

When agreements are reached, there is always one side who breaches the agreements.

simply is a blatant lie.

agent_flounder, 5 months ago

Did they mean “only of the two sides breaches” (i.e., it’s always _____'s fault) or “either one or the other side always breaches” (i.e., each side instigates at one point or another) …?

And for the record I don’t know the details of which interpretation is accurate. And also I’m not sure that either phrase even begins to capture the entire complex mess of this long, sickening conflict that wastes so many lives.

My take is genociding, oppressing and terrorizing people is wrong, I don’t give a fuck who does it or why.

kbal, 5 months ago

I probably wouldn't ban someone for it, but it's not difficult to see why that comment is a distasteful and callous oversimplification of the reality of what's happening, and it has nothing to do with the f word. If we're going to pick one word to single out I'd say it should be "normal." This situation is not normal by any standard.

GrayBackgroundMusic, 5 months ago

Your comment.

callous oversimplification of the reality of what’s happening

Kick out the jams:

I (early GenX) grew up with I have not seen an eye opener in the past months.

I don’t see a problem with the phrasing. Jams is saying “this is what I saw” which is really a product of their environment. This isn’t a ban-worthy comment. This is an educational moment. This is an opportunity to say “that’s not what happened, you were fed a bunch of propaganda.”

AnotherDirtyAnglo, 5 months ago

Is it bigotry to say that both sides have done some horrific shit, and that the current conflict is approaching 100 years, and was going on in different forms for centuries before that?

Is it bigotry to say there’s no solution as long as both sides have the goal of exterminating the other, and weaponizing the grief of their own groups?

The whole thing is the very definition of a clusterfuck, and I’m not a member of either group, so I normally shut the fuck up.

Marsey_Enjoyer, 5 months ago (edited 5 months ago)

Seriously? You didn’t even bother archiving the drama?

Lame 🥱

Edit: Actual link from another instance

Microw, 5 months ago

I tried to, but didnt manage to get that Link properly working

canis_majoris, 5 months ago

I’m not surprised.

Who were the bourgeoisie that Stalin purged? Oh, right, most of them were Jewish.

Horseshoe theory strikes again.

JimboDHimbo, 5 months ago

Fedilore feels like a place to complain about leftist instances at this point, lol. Free Palestine and Fuck Zionism.

Microw, 5 months ago

It’s a place to document drama, not to complain about it lol

JimboDHimbo, 5 months ago

I beg to differ.

SaakoPaahtaa, 5 months ago

.ca again with the brainrot🤙🤙

JimboDHimbo, 5 months ago

Don’t put this on .ca, this is all me sweetie 😘

smeg, 5 months ago

If exploding heads was still around I’m sure there’d be a lot of complaining about them here too. What happened to them anyway?

Kierunkowy74, 5 months ago

No longer on fedi, moved to Nostr protocol

Blaze, 5 months ago

Well, lemmy.ml is known to have some bias.

It would be more concerning to have this on Lemmy.world

Annoyed_Crabby, 5 months ago

It would be more concerning to have this on Lemmy.world

It could, even if admin didn’t have such bias, mods could have the same bias.

Blaze, 5 months ago

I guess as always, users need to assess how the moderation of communities fit wit their own views, and change communities/instances if needed.

Kusimulkku, 5 months ago

some

lol

AMillionNames, 4 months ago

It would be more concerning to have this on Lemmy.world

Na, they are more of the “make false accusations about you and ban you” type. And if they have to do damage control, they’ll just squirm and decide who they have to do the bare minimum to back off from so that they can shirk off all responsibility. But yeah, their abuse is not political, just some seriously toxic personality flaws where they do liberally libel with bullshit contradictory claims.

RTRedreovic, 5 months ago

It would be more concerning to have this on Lemmy.world

It does. I have experienced it myself. The Mods have themselves stated that there is no freedom of speech in lemmy.world.

Additionally, because many people have an incorrect understanding of it: Bias is not exclusive to any specific individual or group of individual. Every individual and group of individuals has bias. All Human Beings have bias of one form or other and that is simply because the Human Conscious is a reflection of the Material Conditions and is not independent from it.

Blaze, 5 months ago

It does. I have experienced it myself. The Mods have themselves stated that there is no freedom of speech in lemmy.world.

I guess as always, users need to assess how the moderation of communities fit wit their own views, and change communities/instances if needed.

Rentlar, 5 months ago

You are correct, and therefore there shouldn’t be freedom of speech for the sake of it in any social media platform worth going to. “Free speech” ignores the values of respect, ettiquite and gives plenty of room for trolls and flamebaiters to play games with moderators. Seems like a nightmare for a server operator to manage.

To have a place where people can have level-headed discussion about topics including controversial ones, certain ground rules need to be set, which inherently are limits to speech. If you don’t like the rules or how they are enforced, the freedom that you have in Lemmy/the Fediverse is to move to another server in line with what you think are better rules/rulers, or for you to bother with the moderation work yourself in your own community on your own server where no one tells you what to do.