Lemmy.world banning piracy made me realize it's something a client can solve
If I was logged into several instances at once in the client and seeing the composite feed and then could choose instance when replying or posting (with some set default, like from: field in e-mail clients) lemmy.world could ban piracy all it wants and it’d still be in my feed without me having to leave it or change instances.
yeah I’d say user management across instances is the biggest flaw in the fediverse right now. Mastadon has made decent progress in that area, but it’s still imperfect.
A lot of the benefits of federation are weakened by the fact that it’s a pretty huge PITA to change instances
There should be an option to see all posts on our feed from all our instances. Then when commenting choose the instance from which the comment has to be posted.
This needs to be done carefully. At the extreme you’re asking every instance for a list of posts from all instances. It could become something like a DOS. Having just a few accounts should be fine though. Or just asking one instance for “all” and others for “local”.
Yup, I joined the smallest of the bigger communities and it has worked out pretty well. I’ll probably need to leave eventually once it gets too big, but for now it works well.
When I joined, there were about three major instances, and the rest were quite a bit smaller (I.e. <50 users). So I picked the smallest of the big instances (I think it had 500 or so users).
Basically, I wanted more than 100 or so users to have a better chance of the admin being active enough to respond to issues, but I didn’t want to be with one of the top instances to avoid outages and whatnot.
Looking at the numbers now, I’d probably go with tchncs, lemmy.ca, or programming.dev, based largely on userbase, hosting location, and a quick look at the front page. But for now, sh.itjust.works has been pretty reliable, so I haven’t felt the need to switch.
I’m in the US, and I’d prefer to not have one based here due to stupid local laws. sh.itjust.works is based in Canada, so that works well enough for me.
Looking through the top instances, I’m glad to see a lot more diversity in instance locations with lots of users. It used to mostly be US, CA, and Germany (and maybe UK?), but now there’s a lot more.
It’s not the first instance that has done something because of legal concerns about content from other instances. Many have already defederated from lemmynsfw.com because of that.
If you defederate from porn because of legal reasons you might as well be a private instance. Porn is allowed in every country bar a few on earth, and users even have the ability to turn off all NSFW content via their profile. Adult content is the easiest to solve for.
But that is just porn and I understand your point. At the end of the day, any instance is allowed to connect with whomever they want. Regardless of reasoning.
We had a few communities on Reddthat that were blocked on an instance level by hacking the database. After it subscribes between two instances you remove the db connection and it tricks Lemmy and doesn’t re-subscribe.
Within a month, third party applications will have multi account auto creation features with syncing of community subscriptions or abilities to connect directly into the communities that are siloed.
It doesn’t matter what instance you join if every instance also employs no blocks.
At this point in time it is starting to matter. With the increased instance level blocks and defederation.
In the future it won’t matter as you will have mobile/web apps that create multiple accounts on the instances you want that have the communities you want to subscribe too.
If the communities are only created on the big instances, and the big instance decides to defederate from your home instance then you no longer have any way from your home instance to get access. Thus the future features I have alluded to become a real need.
Op made a valid point, if small niche groups form around small instances, you will have less issues and the instance will be for everyone who wants to join that community. Then it would truly be a decentralized platform where each instance is one or two communities. An instance block would not have the blast radius. For example, I don’t think anyone who is small has the ability to block Lemmy.world . They are too big and have too many communities. If you were to block them you would need to setup the communities on your own instance. Whether that works or not and whether enough people join around it who knows.
Like you said tho, a community on a small instance had less chance for good visibility and being found. But that is where third parties come into play like browse.feddit.de. without them the early migrations would have struggled and community discovery would also have been an issue too.
Now that I’m thinking about it, if we could integrate the feddit browser into all the lemmy instances so when you search on your local instance it would show all items not just ones your instance knows about… That would help solve part of the discovery issues… Brb I need to chat with the feddit admins :p
Meh. That’s not really how it works though. If pirated content is not actually spread on the platform nothing illegal is happening, and regardless, long before any fight was going to happen there would have been takedown request.
I am not asking you to stop using lemmy.world. It’s their instance, they can do whatever they want. I was replying to the above comment that the Instance owners don’t want any chance of getting sued. As long as they have an Instance in the Fediverse, there will always be a chance of getting sued.
The irony bring that Reddit itself doesn’t ban piracy related stuff as long as you don’t outright post links publicly… It’s a shitty kind of platform to do that anyway.
Dude, Nintendo used to strike people on YouTube for just playing their games. Some authorities question why you would share a link to a game you are playing without marking your content as sponsored. Do you reall think providing a forum for piracy will stay without consequences for even a year?
Maybe if you live in the right country or hide your identity really well.
.world never profided a forum though, that’s a ridiculous strawman. By not blocking, they’re not hosting piracy any more than being able to find The Pirate Bay with a Google search makes Google a torrent site.
Just the mere encouragement & discussion, yes. The banned communities do not allow direct links to pirated content (!piracy has a rule forbidding that).
It’s strange to see people saying there was some sort of legit reasoning, the lemmy.world admins did not receive any sort of legal DMCA/NTD request or anything of the sort. They were simply trolled hard by a brand new account from lemm.ee asking to defederate from “piracy” communities and lemmy.world admins took the bait. See the post yourself lemmy.world/post/3175920
Incidentally that same user has created troll accounts at other instances & have been getting themselves banned, they were already banned at the dbzer0 instance (see lemmy.dbzer0.com/comment/1956277) so it looks like it was simple retaliation to attempt to trick other instances into defederating/blocking them.
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