Ernest needs to quickly delegate or this instance will quickly die

I appreciate that earnest made a post yesterday, or maybe it was the day before, saying that he is not dead and hasn't given up on kbin. It's not on this magazine, so I'm not sure where it was since this seems to be the most appropriate one, but in any case.

Reassuring us that things will improve at some point someday probably isn't enough, and I both moderate and donate to him every month, so I'm a pretty "serious" kbinner. I'm sure we've already lost many people who are less dedicated and just want something that works.

This site has been nearly unusable for days. There was the one day recently where it was entirely unusable. Everybody who uses this platform is an 'internet person". We need a platform which is (mostly) fully functional (mostly) every day.

Kbin needs to be fixed.

Ernest needs to give up on this being a one-man show and invite other moderators and contributors. Even I am looking at mbin because usability has just been so terrible that it's not worth the frustration and disappointment.

/rant

Edit: To make this thread even better, I got an error when I tried to post it. Twice.

Rottcodd,
Rottcodd avatar

Personally, the main thing I want is for all of the pissers and moaners to go away, so the rest of us can just enjoy this place in peace. And that'd take some of the pressure off of Ernest, which would be good for him and, in the long run, good for the instance. You can all move to mbin - it was pretty much built by and for concern trolls and drama llamas, so you should be right at home there.

Yeah - this place has its issues. That's the way it goes on what basically amounts to a hobbyist platform on a decentralized system. And it's part of why I have multiple accounts scattered around the threadiverse - when one is having problems, that likely just means I'll use it less until things settle down, which is fine. It's not like I'm paying for any of this.

I like this interface and I like Ernest. That's enough for me.

ProdigalFrog,
ProdigalFrog avatar

Could you give some examples of why it would be bad to have more community moderators, and maybe one or two extra admins? It seems like that would only strengthen Kbin. The moderators could fight the spam effectively, and the new admins could handle managing the busywork of the website while Ernest codes.

It seems like it would be an absolute win all around?

Rottcodd,
Rottcodd avatar

I didn't say anything at all about moderators or admins. My point is very narrow and specific - I want the concern trolls and drama llamas - the people who post threads like this one - to fuck off. I'm tired of them pissing and moaning because this new, free, making-it-up-as-we-go-along forum doesn't live up to their expectations. Fuck 'em. Ernest doesn't owe them anything and if they're so unhappy, all they have to do is get the fuck out, then they won't have to deal with the place and the rest of us won't have to deal with them.

That is "an absolute win all around."

ProdigalFrog,
ProdigalFrog avatar

I didn't say anything at all about moderators or admins.

That's what everyone here is discussing, that's what the OP of this thread is talking about. You're calling people who are correctly pointing out that Kbin needs more mods and admins, with the stated goal of REDUCING Ernest's administrative burdens and stress, Drama llamas and trolls, and telling them to fuck off.

What on earth dude.

Drusas,

The funniest thing about this is that you are the one pissing and moaning the most in this thread.

dumples,
dumples avatar

Agreed. If you want to leave just leave. There's plenty of instances to join. I'm staying for now

Hyperreality,

Or create your own instance:

https://kbin.pub/en

This is was the original plan anyway. Not that everyone should join kbin.social.

BaldProphet,
BaldProphet avatar

Unfortunately, hosting your own instance of kbin can be extremely expensive, even for a single user. It uses a ton of storage.

FarraigePlaisteach,
FarraigePlaisteach avatar

The problem is that we can’t leave. We’ve requested for our accounts to be deleted a long time ago. It’s not our fault that we’re still waiting.

bluGill,
bluGill avatar

Nothing stops you from leaving. Just abandon the account and leave. In fact I'd think you want to change the password to something very long and leave the account so nobody else can take your username on this platform.

Drusas,

Did you even read the post? The point is I don't want to leave. I like kbin, but I can't use it if it doesn't work.

sab,
sab avatar

https://kbin.earth/ seems to be a nice kbin instances ran by the guy behind the Interstellar app, in case you want another kbin instance!

I do agree with you though - kbin.social is a lovely place but it's large enough that it needs a proper moderation team.

Drusas,

Pointing out actual flaws and asking for change is not pissing and moaning.

Rottcodd,
Rottcodd avatar

Yes, it in fact is.

Ernest doesn't owe you a fucking thing. He's not your employee.

Drusas,

You clearly missed the entire gist of this post and thread. So I'm just going to leave it there.

melroy,
@melroy@kbin.melroy.org avatar

Mbin was created to get kbin to the next level.

Rottcodd,
Rottcodd avatar

lol

Semi-Hemi-Demigod,
Semi-Hemi-Demigod avatar

If Ernest is listening, I'd love to volunteer to help be a sysadmin/coordinate sysadmin schedules. I've got like 20 years of tech experience, with a lot of it being handling support teams and administering Linux systems. I know I said I couldn't because of money, I realized that social currency is worth even more and I like you folks and want this place to succeed.

So if anybody can get in touch with him, have Ernest email 246FHD@protonmail.com

metaStatic,

Whenever Kbin is down I go touch grass.

Next thing you know I'll be kissing girls and everything.

You should try it, what could possibly go wrong.

Drusas,

Not gay enough.

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melroy,
@melroy@kbin.melroy.org avatar

I asked Ernest 1 year ago about delegating and empower the software developers, but that didn't happen and will never happen. That was the reason to create Mbin.

FaizalR,
FaizalR avatar

If I'm not mistaken this is not kbin issue. It is more too server issue. There are other kbin instances that are just fine especially the smaller one.

corytheboyd,
corytheboyd avatar

This is like complaining that the little mom and pop sandwich shop can’t product sandwiches as fast and uniformly as Subway. This clearly isn’t for you, just go to Reddit or something if you want stability. I love the little slices of janky internet we get from activitypub, im sick of everything needing to become highly available around the globe supporting millions of requests per second with no downtime tolerance.

metaStatic,

have you been to subway recently ever?

Drusas,

I said in my post that it needs to be mostly functional, not perfect.

Your example of the little mom and pop shop is perfect, but not in the way you mean it. A mom and pop shop will have to hire help. Ernest needs help.

corytheboyd, (edited )
corytheboyd avatar

It doesn’t NEED to be anything, this is run by Ernest, for free. It’s worse than that, he is paying for it and not being subsidized with ad revenue. He can totally ask for help if he wants, he can also say no to that and continue running the site on his own. You are not entitled to this, good grief.

Poggervania,
Poggervania avatar

Jfc what’s up with the mbin shills? Just go onto mbin, who cares what instance you are on - you’ll still get the content without the hassle of the platform if you’re seriously that bothered by it.

DarkGamer,
DarkGamer avatar

Let him do it at his own pace, he has more important things to worry about right now.

Infiltrated_ad8271,
Infiltrated_ad8271 avatar

Fair enough, but it should also be noted that this is not a recent problem.

DontMakeMoreBabies, (edited )

Not a fan of hiding votes and it sounds like mBin does that... And apparently I'm banned from lemmy.world? Only thing I can figure is they don't like my username. Which also suggests it's too "safe spacey" for me anyways ("OMG the fee fees!!).

So.... Thoughts?

Edit - KBIN.earth

FaceDeer,
FaceDeer avatar

I signed up to fedia.io (an mBin instance) as a fallback account and I can see votes there. Though I did notice that under "activity" I can only see the identity of who upvoted me but not the identity of who downvoted. I expect these are configurable settings that will vary from instance to instance, I'm of two minds on hiding the identity of downvoters like that and would hope that it doesn't become standard.

Pamasich,
Pamasich avatar

I expect these are configurable settings that will vary from instance to instance

Sadly, they entirely removed it. From what I can tell from their discussion on Github, it's preparation for federating downvotes.

"don't let them have both (receive remote dislike and see list of dislikers) cake and eat it too"

It actually seems like the sentiment trends towards removing the activity page entirely.

FaceDeer,
FaceDeer avatar

Well that sucks. I've long thought it would potentially push things toward greater civility, since one couldn't sling negatives anonymously.

BolexForSoup,
BolexForSoup avatar

Your comment contains many reasons why a community might not feel very welcoming to you.

DontMakeMoreBabies, (edited )

Omg really? You've opened my eyes with your comment.

I am so glad you took time to write the out!

It totally wasn't just verbal masturbation.

😐

Edit: To be clear, I imagine you're the type of person who is the reason why streaming has basically become cable TV.

BolexForSoup,
BolexForSoup avatar

Ok

Sabata11792,
Sabata11792 avatar

Do you get a notification if your banned on another instance? Surely I must have pissed someone off by now.

Pamasich,
Pamasich avatar

Having thought about this for a bit, I think it might actually be better for ernest if this instance died a bit. Not entirely, but it could use some redistribution of users to other instances.

Like, it wasn't meant to be this big main instance of kbin. That's just what it became. And it's got to have an effect on his stress levels and development time.

I feel like the instance is like a ballon that continually gets pumped with fresh air. Ernest constantly has to make sure the balloon doesn't pop. Maybe it would be better for it to pop so he can focus on other things?

Drusas,

But that's why he just needs a little bit of extra help. He doesn't have to do it on his own.

Pamasich,
Pamasich avatar

I was considering moving to mbin, but their decision to make downvoting private makes that a very unpleasant idea for me. Public voting was one of the initial selling points for kbin for me. If I move, then it's probably to another kbin instance like kbin.earth for now.

I appreciate that earnest made a post yesterday, or maybe it was the day before, saying that he is not dead and hasn't given up on kbin. It's not on this magazine, so I'm not sure where it was since this seems to be the most appropriate one, but in any case.

Are you not talking about this thread?

and invite other moderators

Definitely. I've applied to a handful of magazines weeks ago and have read about others having done so too. I really think magazine ownership requests should be accepted automatically on kbin.social. There's already requirements in place to whether you can make one, that should be good enough for abuse safety measures.

Instance moderators would be better, but I don't know if there's people lining up for that role whom he also can trust with it.

and contributors.

The issue here is that all contributors have moved on to mbin. You don't just look for contributors, the contributors choose to contribute. So unless he's willing to pay them, I don't think this is a problem he can solve, and I doubt he makes enough money to hire people.

kreynen,

@Pamasich

@Drusas do you have a link to a discussion or documentation about down votes being private? Trying to Google this only returns this thread https://www.google.com/search?q=%22mbin%22+make+down+votes+private

Drusas,

I'm not sure why you tagged me because I didn't say that downvotes are private.

Pamasich,
Pamasich avatar

From what I can tell, it's mostly brought up in the discussion of a pull request for supporting federated dislikes.

That's where I originally saw it. I'm sure there's probably some more discussion on matrix though, that seems to be their main discussion platform.

Some additional links without discussions:

Edit: Also, to clarify, it's only seeing who downvoted that's made private, the actual amount of downvotes is kept public. It's not a Youtube situation.

BolexForSoup,
BolexForSoup avatar

Making downvotes private was odd to me as well. Just don't show them at all if you're going that route.

Raffster,

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    norbert,
    norbert avatar

    Same, I prefer kbins interface but need a server with consistent uptime/federation.

    roastedDeflator,
    roastedDeflator avatar

    Similar for me. I love kbin's interface & I can't stand lemmy's.

    Drusas,

    Exactly this.

    rhythmisaprancer,
    rhythmisaprancer avatar

    I agree that it would probably be helpful to have more than one person running the program, but I also understand it can be hard to let a project go. I really like kbin, but will admit I set up another account elsewhere. It isn't as nice as kbin. I don't know rust but will definitely step up to moderate! Learning new things is good. I'll do it. Happily 🙂

    LanternEverywhere,

    If he would just let people mod the communities that get spammed then that would be a massive improvement, and it would literally only take him a couple of clicks. But instead he keeps himself as sole mod of those forums, so they get tons of spam, ruining kbin's Newest page.

    QuestioningEspecialy,
    QuestioningEspecialy avatar

    problem with accepting moderators is trustability
    some mofos will fuck your shit up real quick
    or not have decent (password) security

    Kotking,
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    Yeah, It was a while ago but Official Valheim discord server was taken over and knowing Valheim for some time it was really sad to hear about it, dev team behind the game is great so this is not something you want to have people talking about cue Disco Elysium in background .

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